My tryst with religion

Oh wow-this thread has evolved into a discussion about buddhism/religion...you are right, GanjaPrince-I am into science, mainly because it explains things in a much more rational way than any religion. As for the quanta theory-I have read Stephen Hawkings (and many others) and do understand the quantum theory of mechanics-however I see no place for 'cosmic consciousness' in the theory. There is absolutely no mysticism in it.

 

AG: I'm glad that you asked that question. This should be clarified and I will try to explicate it as clearly as I can. The early work, like The Tao of Physics, has been very important for the history of science. However, these early works, in spite of supporting the spiritual aspect of human beings, all basically held on to the material view of the world nevertheless. In other words, they did not challenge the material realists' view that everything is made up of matter. That view was never put to any challenge by any of these early books. In fact, my book was the first one which challenged it squarely and which was still based on a rigorous explication in scientific terms. In other words, the idea that consciousness is the ground of being, of course, has existed in psychology, as transpersonal psychology, but outside of transpersonal psychology no tradition of science and no scientist has seen it so clearly.
[size=-1]It was my good fortune to recognize it within quantum physics, to recognize that all the paradoxes of quantum physics can be solved if we accept consciousness as the ground of being.So that was my unique contribution and, of course, this has paradigm-shifting potential because now we can truly integrate science and spirituality. In other words, with Capra and Zukav—although their books are very good—because they held on to a fundamentally materialist paradigm, the paradigm is not shifting, nor is there any real reconciliation between spirituality and science. Because if everything is ultimately material, all causal efficacy must come from matter. So consciousness is recognized, spirituality is recognized, but only as causal epiphenomena, or secondary phenomena. And an epiphenomenal consciousness is not very good. I mean, it's not doing anything. So, although these books acknowledge our spirituality, the spirituality is ultimately coming from some sort of material interaction. [/size]
[size=-1]But that's not the spirituality that Jesus talked about. That's not the spirituality that Eastern mystics were so ecstatic about. That's not the spirituality where a mystic recognizes and says, "I now know what reality is like, and this takes away all the unhappiness that one ever had. This is infinite, this is joy, this is consciousness." This kind of exuberant statement that mystics make could not be made on the basis of epiphenomenal consciousness. It can be made only when one recognizes the ground of being itself, when one cognizes directly that One is All. [/size]
[size=-1]Now, an epiphenomenal human being would not have any such cognition. It would not make any sense to cognize that you are All. So that is what I am saying. So long as science remains on the basis of the materialist worldview, however much you try to accommodate spiritual experiences in terms of parallels or in terms of chemicals in the brain or what have you, you are not really giving up the old paradigm. You are giving up the old paradigm and fully reconciling with spirituality only when you establish science on the basis of the fundamental spiritual notion that consciousness is the ground of all being. That is what I have done in my book, and that is the beginning. But already there are some other books that are recognizing this too.[/size] "

It's turning around, your evil materialist ways will be a thing of the past in the next hundred years.

So the basic argument from people like you is not about the experiments, it is about the paradoxes in quantum mechanics... in the materialist views there are PARADOXES, in my views, there are NONE. My theory explains not only all of quantum mechanics, but all of religion, and all of the amazing ESP phenemonon that disprove materialism and have been experimentally verified repeatidly to no avail from materailists that stick to thier evil addicted to the GROSSEST plane of reality.

You don't understand quantum mechanics at all. Matter is not supreme, conciousness is, and it proves it over and over and over again.. I stand by Goswami and I don't expect you too because you have been seduced by maya away from conciousness and towards meaningless random chaos of materialism where all the amazing coincidences in the development of the universe were just chance... Ok, tell another lie.

It's ok my friend, part of waking up is getting lost in the dream... so get lost in the dream, get real lost... get so lost that you don't wake up until the day you die.

"It's far too late when they pass away." - George Harrison speaking about people like you who hide themselves behind a wall of illussion.