What could really happen...

Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by stormyy, Jul 15, 2004.

  1. stormyy

    stormyy Member

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    the following is from http://www.truthout.com

    Only a state of emergency declaration could put off a national
    election, and only the President can declare a national state of
    emergency. In the case of this current debate, said cancellation would
    supposedly come on the heels of a catastrophic attack. In such an
    event, it is entirely possible that the Federal Emergency Management
    Agency would be calling the play.

    *** FEMA was created by Executive Order during the Nixon
    administration, and became unbelievably powerful during the Reagan
    years. Ostensibly, FEMA was created to ensure the continuation of
    government after a nuclear strike. Subsequent Executive Orders over
    the last thirty years give FEMA, with a Presidential declaration of a
    national state of emergency, absolute power over all modes of
    transportation including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any
    kind, total control of highways, seaports, airports, aircraft, the
    national media, all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and
    minerals, along with all food resources and farms.

    *** In a time of crisis, FEMA would also have absolute power over all
    health, education and welfare functions, and can develop plans to
    establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution,
    wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial
    institution in any undefined national emergency.

    *** Executive Order 11051 gives FEMA the authority to execute all
    Executive Orders granting the above-described powers in the event of a crisis. Executive Order 11310 requires the Justice Department to
    enforce any and all powers granted to FEMA in a crisis. Executive
    Order 11921 declares that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

    *** There are some fifteen Executive Orders which outline the powers
    of FEMA, should the President set them in motion after a disaster or
    an attack. Several of them are nebulous enough to encompass the
    decision to cancel a national election. Whether the legislatures, per
    Title 3 of the U.S. Code, are allowed to participate in any subsequent
    election preparations will certainly depend on whether the federal
    government wants to cut them in on the action.

    *** Enacting any or all of these Executive Orders would essentially
    remove the Constitution and the Bill of Rights from the table.
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    Basically, if a State of Emergency is declared after a terrorist
    attack, and the elections are suspended, the Federal Government has
    authority to control EVERYTHING :"transportation including personal
    cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind, total control of highways,
    seaports, airports, aircraft, the national media, all electrical
    power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals, along with all food
    resources and farms, mechanisms of production and distribution, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money. So this election supension thing is really a much bigger deal than most people seem to think...
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    This is scary stuff!

    Never once have our country's elections been postponed or canceled, not even during the Civil War.

    To postpone or cancel the elections would be completely unconstitutional. But Bush has done a lot of things while in office that are unconstitutional, so it wouldn't surprise me.

    It already seems like they're basically telling us with certainty that we're going to be attacked again before elections.

    My gut feeling is that the Bushies have yet another scheme up their sleeves.

    Whatever it is, something doesn't smell right.
     
  3. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    well this is really fuckin scary. i say run to canada now, before the borders are sealed shut
     
  4. Lucifer Sam

    Lucifer Sam Vegetable Man

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    I think something like that could only happen in the event of a SERIOUS nuclear attack, not another September 11th or anything. The entire nation would have to be in a serious state of insanity for that to happen.


    Although, perhaps (and this is just coming from my own crazy mind) Bush & Co. have a plan to scare everyone into thinking there is a serious threat and then act like he stopped it in hopes to swing the election his way. So that way, some people would think he is a "hero" and the one to "stop terrorism." Maybe...
     
  5. TARABELLE

    TARABELLE on the road less traveled

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    I think he wants to be dictator and I agree it is VERY scary stuff. i freaked when I heard that.
     
  6. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

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    the sort of terrorist attack needed to suspend elections would need to be a number of nukes taking out a number of american citys I would imagine

    I dont see that george bush is going to nuke a number of american citys to stay in power for a few months

    a sept the 11 type attack would be far to small you could still have elections

    if you had millions of dead and missing a population scared to leave their homes because of nuclear fallout or some really bad plague would elections be a good idea at that time
     
  7. TARABELLE

    TARABELLE on the road less traveled

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    What I got from the news reports was that the elections were going to be suspended to keep an attack from happening. That's what I found scary - not having a national emergency declared after an attack.
     
  8. stormyy

    stormyy Member

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    From what I understand, these plans are already in action. The stuff on the news about postponing/cancelling elections are different-they would allow the postponement/cancellation of elections in the event of any terrorist attack-like 9/11 or the train bombings in Madrid...but please correct me if I'm wrong...it's kind of hard to get the whole story sometimes.
     
  9. MaxPower

    MaxPower Kicker Of Asses

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    In order for any of that to take effect, somehting along the lines of a nuclear attack would have to take place. And in the case of a nuclear attack, the federal government had better fucking impose martial law, becuase if not the country would go into a state of panic and all hell would break loose. The chances of Bush trying to rig or postpone the election in any way is slim and unlikely, and this is just bullshit (unless of course it was a real nuclear attack). Do you really think that the U.S. government would nuke it's own people?
     
  10. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    did you really think that the Amerikan govt would be involved with a type of attack like the Sept. 11 attacks? neither did I...
     
  11. MaxPower

    MaxPower Kicker Of Asses

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    And by "involved" you mean "an ex-president having business relations with an organization that has a few long-severed ties to the man responsible for the 9/11 attacks" right?
     
  12. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    actually no, its a conspiracy theory i have, that George dubya planned the attacks with Osama, so that he could go to war in Iraq....
     
  13. MaxPower

    MaxPower Kicker Of Asses

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    Way to discredit yourself completely. Just out of curiosity, do you have any proof of this "conspiracy theory"?
     
  14. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    thats why its a theory, just like dubyas theory of Iraq having wmds.
     
  15. MaxPower

    MaxPower Kicker Of Asses

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    But see, Bush's theory was based on CIA reports and intelligence findings, which were agreed upon by UN, British, French, and Russian intelligence, that said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Those reports were wrong, but the fact is they existed, and if they were right, then it would have been a good reason to go to war.

    What, may I ask, is your basis of believing that George Bush planned 9/11?
     
  16. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    oh poo, I had found some facts that could lead you to thinking that he helped plan it, but i forgot what they are. so whatever
     
  17. brothersun

    brothersun Member

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    Don't you have anything better to do? Maybe you should go back and play with your lego.
     
  18. Nalencer

    Nalencer Dig Yourself

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    Osama had nothing to do with it. He was just the scapegoat. It was planned by the american governement as an excuse to go to war in Iraq, pass the patriot act, and the patriot act 2 that was leaked onths ago and will soon be put before congress. I live in canada and am a canadian citizen, and i had a trip to the us planned for september. im now reconsidering.

    for more info on the patriot act 2, go to http://www.geocities.com/peaceland_04/pages/articles/dsea03.html
     
  19. MaxPower

    MaxPower Kicker Of Asses

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    I wouldn't take anything on a geocities homepage seriously, sorry. You've already posted that a few times, hell you probably wrote it yourself. Way to go. If you could provide some real facts for your argument I might be compelled to listen, but as it is now you're just pulling words out of your ass.

    And if Osama had nothing to do with is, why is it that he his organization taking full responsibility for the attacks? And why were all the hijackers woking for him?
     
  20. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    thank you


    and to whoever told me to go play with my legos, i dont own any. I read and play music
     
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