D and D Free is ignorance or Lie

Discussion in 'Sexual Health' started by firelip, Dec 12, 2005.

  1. firelip

    firelip Member

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    I suggest that less than one percent of adults can be certain that they are disease free, and that to claim as much is to be dishonest or uninformed.

    1) HPV and HSV tests are not conclusive for negative results.

    2) There are no proven cures for either virus.

    3) Estimates of infection rates in the US vary, but all tend above 50%.

    Therefore, 2-3 instances of unprotected intercourse or fellatio put the odds over 90% by even the most conservative estimates.



    Most accept these three points, so how can one claim to be disease free?



    I am HIV free to a ninetysome percent confidence level, but i know that i am HSV and HPV positive and have been for at least 27 years, even though multiple tests would tell you otherwise.

    Be Aware, not ignorant!



    The drug free issue is equally as ridiculous. What is a drug? Is it a physioactive chemical? Shall we define the term only for psychoactive substances. If an MD hands it out, does that somehow make it not a drug and OK? How can one herb get called a drug and another not? Does law define the term? If so why don't we just say, "crime free"? Or perhaps a better idea might be "addiction free" or "abuse free"



    Drug and Disease Free is a term symbolizing ignorance and/or dishonesty. Often an example of willful ignorance, it is an ostrich approach to the issue at best. I know that a lot of kind people use this term, but this is an area where language should evolve. Ignorance of an issue is not something to be ashamed of or appologized for, only overcome.


    Stepping off my soapbox now

    Love and Peace!



    Jim

     
  2. Hippievixen

    Hippievixen Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Right on, brother :)
     
  3. alan82

    alan82 Dying Inside

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    alls i know is that the military tests me every month for all that shit.... so if they say i don't have any diseases (and i know i didn't take any drugs, because that would cost me my job) then i'm a willing believer.....

    does that mean i'm going to go out and fuck someone without protection? oh hell no...

    but it means i can sleep at night, knowing that my dick will still be attached in the morning
     
  4. Hippievixen

    Hippievixen Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    LoL.

    Sweet dreams :)
     
  5. firelip

    firelip Member

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    Alan, how about fellatio without a condom? Most folks do not realize how often STDs are transmitted by a blow job.. No test from the Navy or any where else will tell you that you are not infected!
     
  6. alan82

    alan82 Dying Inside

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    ....nope haven't been doing any of that either.... but i will keep in mind what you say
     
  7. Weeble

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    I'm HPV positive but I don't have genital warts.. I have the type of HPV that causes precancerous and cancerous conditions.. Chances are I've had it all my life as my mom and sister both test positive for it. Yes it is an STD but it certainly doesn't fit into the same catagory as any of the other STD's. Atleast, not my type of HPV. The one that causes genital warts, however does fit in with those types of STD's.

    So you really can't just say HPV because it depends on the type. It's about the same difference as having Herpes and having a small cold sore.
     
  8. firelip

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    There is no difference between having "herpes and a small cold sore". HSV 1 and 2 can manifest in many parts of the body. A cold sore is herpes!
    The form of HPV that causes precancerous changes is a far more dangerous STD than the wart-causing strains. Cancer of the cervix or larnyx seems a bit more important than the occasional wart.

    Jim
     
  9. Weeble

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    Yeah, but having gall stones or kidney stones can also cause precancerous conditions (in which I've had my gallbladder removed due to gallstones).. too much sun can cause precancerous conditions.. also something like 97% have a type of HPV and they don't test for it like a normal STD.. If you went into a clinic and told them you wanted to be tested for all STD's they wouldn't test you for HPV unless you said HPV as well.

    Most males are hard to diagnose and diagnosis in a female comes from an irregular pap smear. I also didn't catch it from having sex as I was diagnosed with it when I was a virgin. My mother gave it to me.

    It causes cellular changes in the cervix which can cause cervical cancer. But the cells can also change back bringing it out the precancerous stage. My doctor told me a lot about this and only 3% of all that is diagnosed with HPV 16 and 18 ever develop cancer. In women only 1% of that 3% wasn't able to have children due to cervical cancer and no one has ever died of HPV.
     
  10. firelip

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    HPV is the most common sexually transmitted disease. There are now something like 100 known varieties. Some can increase cancer risk substantially. Some cause warts, etc. For the most part people with a healthy immune system can keep the virus dormant.
    There are no cures! Once you have it, you will always have the virus, and you can spred it by sex. It is not uncommon for it to be passed from mother to child just as for most other STDs. It is generally not something to have a cow about, just be aware, inform partners, and get rgular paps. BTW: Chinese medicine has a far better approach to treatment than LEEP etc.
    There are no HPV tests for men, and there is no way that anyone can prove they are not infected. The tests for women are not valid for reporting a negative result. they are for positive ID only.

    The danger with HPV is that it is being spred like crazy by folks who think that blowjobs are "safe". HPV grows quite nicely on the larnyx and can then be transfered to another cervix via an ignorant tool (like me at one time :().
    Be aware, most every sexually active people (and some virgins) have one or more HPV strains. It is not good to see how many you can collect! Condoms do not protect against all forms of transmission, but they are probably pretty effective against the most dangerous strains, if they are always used for all forms of penetration.

    Peace and knowledge

    Jim
     

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