So what do you think?

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See how sweetly this is progressing? I am so happy for you.

He called to say "Merry Christmas"? I'm sure he did that after writing your name in a book about a thousand times.

"how I'm Will and how he's Jack/Karen" That's cute and funny.

Well, it sounds like you are very busy boys, but I'm sure you'll find the time to be together. Don't scare him away with impatience.


"Before the game is afoot, thou still let'st slip."
~From Shakespeare's King Henry IV.

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this sounds really sweet.

You could suggest to get together with him the weekend after school starts... or something

 

I know, it's great. =)

I don't wanna get my hopes up either, though. You never know, and I don't want to be completely in the shits if this doesn't work out!

I mean I have my doubts on his sexuality, like sometimes I doubt he's gay. For example, like when he'll pretend to be Karen saying "honey" or if he's talking about something he did to pretend to be "gay," he'll make sure he gets across like he's not really gay. Like, I'll respond with his impression of saying "honey" by saying "sweety" and he'll say something like, "You know I'm just being Karen, right?" Or if he'll say how he'll act gay in a gay voice he'll say how he "pretended" to be gay in whatever...You know what I mean?

But I dunno, I mean, he loves Johnny Depp as an actor and even loves "The Birdcage!" So I dunno...He's a hard card to read!

But it does seem to be going good. Hopefully it continues to get better like this!!!

 

I hate to be crude, but there's dudes out there who would say "I'm really straight, you know", except they got a cock in their mouth. So maybe they mumble their regrets.

My guess: he is denying he's gay on the inside, but letting it get full-blown 'mo on the outside. In that case he may not be ready for a boyfriend, just a good gay buddy. Which could be excruciating for you?!!!

But if things do develop serious between the two of you, you may need to prepare a speech like this: "I know you're straight, now shut up and kiss me." I expect that to happen sometime around next fall. I mean he's just a kid, and if you really do like him, you'll give him all the room he needs to grow up.

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sounds like a flamer to me..

 

Haha....that's my guess as well.

 

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I looked back over your posts and I wanted to add. . .

My favorite game as a little boy, and I don't know what they called it where you grew up, but I call it I'll Show You Mine, If You Show Me Yours. There's only one rule: you have to go first. You're older and he surely looks up to you, I doubt he will come out if you don't come out to him first.

 

Yeah, that's very true.

I don't see why you shouldn't come out to him. Of course, only if you're completely comfortable. But the timing is right, I think.

 

He sounds very gay to me. Particularly the part about pretending to be Karen

 

So true...And I do acknowledge the fact that I should be the one to take the initiative since I am older and more insightful and experienced about my homosexuality.

On the other hand, he's still very young. So naturally, he's probably going to be a little passive and quiet about it if he is gay. However, I also don't want to come across as some molester or pedophile since I'm 17 and he's 14 if I choose to take some initiative.

I see that my best bet at this point is to find a way to at least come out to him for a start. I don't feel quite comfortable just telling him, because it may seem a little too obvious and since I'm not exactly sure what he's really thinking, I don't want him to get the wrong idea or assumption. So, I'm trying to find out how I can get him to ask me or make a comment about it that could LEAD me to tell him.

After all, I'm also that type of guy who prefers to be approached than take the initiative. So being the guy to make the first move is a little different for me. The other night when I told him I'm like Will (again, trying to get something across to him), he responded, "so you came out of the closet?" I knew he was joking, but the joke could also have a reason behind it. I replied with a sarcastic "suuure." Again, this was online, so the voice tone and expressions aren't there. He just responded with lol.

I dunno if he was trying to get me to say something else, but I kinda backed away from it. Maybe its because I don't want to tell him online which is why I'm trying to find out how I can tell him without making it look so suspicious or obvious in person. It's very difficult to do so, though. But this teasing suspense and guessing game is killing me! Arrrg lol.

 

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"so you came out of the closet?"

"only to you dear, please don't tell anybody else." Would have been another answer.

Now, you could bring up his IM message: "Remember when you wrote '"so you came out of the closet?' ", Well, I haven't officially. But I thought maybe I could trust you to keep the secret. You knew, I'm gay, right?" Sometimes I gotta rehurse things like that before I can say them to somebody.
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That's a good idea.

And don't worry about that.

 

If I had a better sarcastic answer than "suuure," it would've been fine, because then at least my sarcasm is a start. Saying "suure" doesn't sound believable, even when it's sarcastic.

"Now, you could bring up his IM message: "Remember when you wrote '"so you came out of the closet?' ", Well, I haven't officially. But I thought maybe I could trust you to keep the secret. You knew, I'm gay, right?" Sometimes I gotta rehurse things like that before I can say them to somebody."

Bringing up that moment to him again and then letting him know I am really gay sounds a little bit outta nowhere and suspicious, which is what I'm trying to avoid. Maybe if I get him on the topic of homosexuality or something and find a way to ask me something like that again, even if it's all for sarcasm. I dunno, do you think that example quote you gave would work?

As you can see, I'm not exactly the bold or laid-back type when it comes to stuff like this, ha...I need to be more aggressive and take a chance.

If he likes me, then I'm not worried about the age at all. Screw the age, in that case. However, if I I intend to come out to him in the near future or hit on him more blatantly, then I wanna do it with the confidence that he's most likely gay and interested in me.

 

To be honest, bringing up homosexuality seems a bit outta nowhere, especially since it has been an issue you have talked about before...

I mean, not that it's a bad thing...I'm just saying you might as well tell him you're gay. If he's really a good friend, he should be completely alright with you telling him.

I just think telling him is a good starting point. It'll make you discuss it with him, and he'll most likely open up with his feelings, whatever they may be.

 

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I Agree, you should tell him in person.
It might seem like it's coming out of no where when you say it, but once the topic is started it won't seem so bad. It sounds like he has been hinting around to know. That's why I suggested you start out by referring to that. I mean, now you're going to "fess up". And you end it with a question. That gives him something to say. Really, you say, "You knew, I'm gay, right?" and he can say "yah, sorta" or "No, not for sure." I mean, then there isn't that awkward pause, well not until he answers you. You can talk about other peeps who know. And you can ask him not to tell anyone else. And you can confess that you try to cover it up so ppl don't have a clue.

But it seems like he's looking for you to take the lead. If you think it's cool to pretend you're both not, it will be like that.

I mean you are confiding the most intimate thing in the world, that's like a gift you give to a trusted friend. But, it's not like your proposing marriage! For gosh sakes, just because he knows you're gay doesn't mean you're lovers now or anything.
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Yeah, you're right...

I think my other concern is the reality of what will happen when he knows I'm gay. If he is gay and interested in me, then thats great! However, I think I'm more scared if he has no reaction of being gay himself when I tell him or something...Like there's not that respond of, "Really? So am I!" because then I know that either he's not gay or he hasn't come to terms with it and I guess that will suck on my part.

Well, we'll see what happens.

 

Update?

 

This reminds me of when I was about 17/18, and I had this big crush on a guy in my class. He is now out of the closet, but back then, I wasn't quite sure. For basically the whole year, we would chat about gay-themed stuff, testing the water with each other, but we never actually went any further for fear of offending the other person, or being let down. There was a lot of lingering eye-contact, which in retrospect was a huge sign screaming "ask him out!", but neither of us acted on this.

 

Ha, thanks for your concerns and questions!

Well, things haven't spiced up to the point of intimacy or anything, buuuut things are definitely acting up. Some for good, some for bad.

Let's see...We still talk often online and whenever during and after school. Went to the mall with him the other day.
Umm, we even talk on the phone whenever we can here and there, too!

What's really getting to me about things spicing up though is that whenever we talk online and one of us has to go, he'll end it by saying the usual "bye" but he'll also say "kisses" or "love ya..." And like, yeah, it could be for a funny joke and remark or whatever, but...The way things have been between the two of us...I dunno, it seemed like a little hidden message.

Of course there have been some cons, too....He mentioned how he thinks Angelina Jolie is sexy and how some actress who is like 50 is hot...But then again, words are words and perhaps its his way of covering it up.

So yeah, no big sparks flying yet, but I'm in no big rush so far...Right now I'm willing to play cat and mouse for a bit. It's fun, lol. But things do seem to be progressing.

 

i don't think any straight guy would say kisses or love ya to another guy...but who knows..