Help me to be MORE hippie!

Discussion in 'Hippies' started by minkajane, Dec 29, 2005.

  1. minkajane

    minkajane Member

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    Thank you to the people who honestly responded to my questions. I sometimes get the "not good enough" feeling about my lifestyle, when I really am doing the best I can with the situation I'm in at the moment. Thanks, guys!
     
  2. dudenamedrob

    dudenamedrob peace lily

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    Namaste sistah,
    I feel your energy, your heart, your truth. I wish you luck on your life journey, and I hope you find what it is your looking for. Eh, my personal recommendation, read Cassidy, Kerouac, Ginsberg, and KESEY!! Don't read it like a normal book though, read from the INSIDE!! Travel, travel, travel, do not be a spectator in life, GET INVOLVED!! I send you all the positivity and love in the world, infinite blessings to you, but most of all, Welcome Home.

    ~Rob
     
  3. Pinhead

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    wow. i never knew this hippie land existed
     
  4. tuatara

    tuatara Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    funny how all these ideas of how to be a hippy came about .........there was no one thing that defined them .some were anti-war........some were not....some were nomads ...some were solid family people........some were druggies....some didn't do drugs......some worked.........some didn't .......some were educated...some weren't ....about the only common bond i ever saw with all of them is they wanted love between one another and peace and none of them trusted the establishment ....hell i still don't after all these years ..........and of course the biggie ..............THE MUSIC
     
  5. Ghost of ruins

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    I can't agree with this. Either you have a hippy attitude and then you also "suffer for your ideals" or you are not a true hippy.
    (By the way... Jesus was killed for his ideals..)
     
  6. mad_hatter79

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    i havent read all the posts so i hope im not repeating mutiple suggestions. but practice peace in youre life. it sounds like youre doing that already. read up on things like philosphy people like kerouac on the the road is an ansome book. pick up some albums that talk about the times... for instance pick up music like joan biez greatful dead dylan ...dylan is vital becase he really does talk about the times. janis joplin. meditate know were you there in the 60's? if you werent really KNOW what they were about what they stood for. beyond that just do youre thing....doing youre own thing and conexisting in peace. thats a big part of...how do i phrase this...lol...hippiedom!
     
  7. Aura

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    its gotten quite boring. aint all its cracked up to be but hey, enjoy yourself
     
  8. Peacenik

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    Do you think you have to suffer for what you believe in?
    I thought that being a hippie meant that you believe in love, peace, and happiness.

    Imagine there's no heaven
    It's easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today...

    Imagine there's no countries
    It isn't hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace...

    You may say I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world...

    You may say I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will live as one


    I'd rather be able to take care of myself then to be living off the government. That's also not being a true Hippie.
     
  9. Dead Angel

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    to my mind this is the most stupid post I have ever read!!! You can't be more hippie, than you are, my sister. Hippiness, antiwar statements must be in your soul, in your blood and in your heart and nothing should change it!
     
  10. I_got_life

    I_got_life Member

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    be more happy:)
     
  11. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    Kahlil Gibran (i just thought of him in another thread) is a mystic-philosopher that as hippies we are supposed to like wrote a book called "the prophet" which is a good book to read to help you become more hippie
     
  12. Orange Sunshine Vet

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    Take only memories, leave only footprints!;)
     
  13. Kris?

    Kris? Senior Member

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    Man, alll i gotta say is Love!
     
  14. cerridwen

    cerridwen in stitches

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    go organic, barefoot, and vegan and then you'll be groovy.
     
  15. Maggie Sugar

    Maggie Sugar Senior Member

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    jane, no one here is dissing you, It is just that "hippy" is about CHOICES of how you live your life. I am going to be brutally honest here. I think you are a good mom. That is certainly one hell of a start!!!! You also, IF you want to live a Conscious Lifestyle, need to make other changes. IF, only if. Calling yourself "hippy" isn't a big deal, But if it means that much to you, changes, not excuses, have to be made.

    I work in Maternal Infant Care, (similar to a midwife, but I work in Lactation) from your post, I see similarities to what we, in lactation and the birth community call a "Yeah, but" mom. Meaning, no matter what they KNOW is best, they have a "But I can't because...." You make $55,000 a year and can't "afford" whole foods? Whole, healthy food costs less than frozen, MSG, prepackaged stuff.

    You are saying "Don't give me a hard time." Yet no one's suggestions are "workable" for you.

    ANY conscious lifestyle (if you wanna call it "hippy" or whatever) is about making CHOICES and usually those choices are more difficultthan living the status quo. Being in the Military, eating prepared food, ect is easier for you at this point, thus you aren't making choices. There are ways to get out of the military. I wouldn't join the War Machine to save my own life, but I certainly would do anything to get out of it.

    Then DO IT!!!! No "buts." I am GLAD you are breastfeeding, no vaxing, cloth diapering ect, but there are also other choices to make.

    You can't keep the Status Quo and live a conscious lifestyle. You seem to want both. They are NOT workable together. This is not flaming you or dissing you, it is just the truth. Look at what many of the people on this site have done to live a conscious life. They let "good paying" jobs go by, because those jobs fed a less than moral purpose. They didn't say "But my job with the Bush Administration pays $200,000 a year, and I really WANT that much money." They just didn't DO it.

    I give up clients, who I could make money from, because what they want me to do is, IMO, not morally workable, I could make more money in a more Status Quo job, yet I follow my heart and what I know to be right.

    No one is flaming you, (saying something you don't want to hear, but is true is NOT a flame) but in a time when we do not have a draft, working for the War Machine, by CHOICE is a choice you need to really ruminate about, and SEE what the War Machine is really doing to our country and the other countries and the innocent people who live in them.
    What about what the Military has done to a good number of people in Iraq and other countries? Is all that needless killing OK, because it has "done wonderful things for your life?" Cheating did "wonderful things" for Kenneth Lay of Enron, but if fucked up everybody else. Does it make it right, because it did "wonderful things" for him? This insular self centered thought process makes NO sense.

    You want validation for choices you are making that no one with a concsious lifestyle would make. We make do with LESS. Is this HARDER? You bet. But we can sleep at night, knowing we aren't part of a Machine and an Administration which lies and kills and destroys other people. YOU have a choice to make, make it without using the word "BUT." There are no buts, only choices, and YOU make the ones which are most conscious. Unlike an other poster, I know of NO people who live Conscious lives (call it hippy or something else, I don't care) who are NOT anti-war. Working to endorse and help War is at the opposite end of the spectrum from "hippy." IF that is what you want. It's kinda like saying "Well, I want to be a vegetarian, BUT, I can't stop eating meat right now, and I work in the Beef Industry because it pays well. Can I call myself a vegetarian anyway? Because it sounds good?" Make one choice or the other. You can't do both.

    Leave the Military? You don't have to, but you can't live a conscious lifestyle and remain part of the War Machine. During Viet Nam, there was a draft and many people did not have a choice, but YOU do. If you want to stay in the Mililary because it does "wonderful" things for you, go ahead. But it doesn't change the fact that the Military has made life hell for millions, and killed hundreds of thousands in the past few years. THAT isn't OK with anyone who lives a conscious lifestyle. YOU have a right to do what you want, but you can't change a lable you want to wear, or expect to get "support" from people who feel VERY strongly about the evils of the US Military. I refuse to "support" something I think does more harm than good. BUT, you have a right to do whatever YOU like with your life. You just can't have your organic, hempseed, herby, hippy cake and eat it too. (whoa, that was too much. ;) )

    All we are saying is give Peace a chance is not just a song title. You can't Give Peace a Chance when you are helping perpetrate the horrors of War. And you can't work for the Military and NOT perpetrate War.

    You have a LOT of choices to make. It is in YOUR hands, don''t blame the people who point it out to you.
     
  16. Maggie Sugar

    Maggie Sugar Senior Member

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    My baby, my life. All We Are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance.



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  17. minkajane

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    I see what you're saying, Maggie, but nowhere did I say that the suggestions weren't "good enough" for me. I WILL NOT desert the military, for many reasons, including the safety and security of my family. With that in mind, I am stuck in the "status quo," as you call it, for the next two years. I'm doing my best to live a natural life and exemplify my ideals with what I've got right now. I either do that, or I take off to Canada or somewhere and live as a criminal for the rest of my life. Do I plan on staying in the military for the rest of my life? No. But will I just leave it? Again, no. I made a commitment and I plan on honoring it. I do not like what the military is doing in Iraq, but there's nothing I can do about that. The fact remains that joining the military has done great things for me personally. I feel bad for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, but bemoaning their fate will not help them, and neither will lying about the benefits the military has given me.

    I asked an honest question and was hoping for honest advice. Refusing to give advice and instead hassling about a job over which I have NO control is not helpful and that is the very essence of flaming. There is NOTHING I can do at this point in time about the fact that I am in the military. Don't you think there's something admirable about the fact that I'm doing my best to live naturally and peacefully, despite my job?
     
  18. god_damed_hippy

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    Good for you, I think that if the military was what you wanted to do and you knew what you were going to be in for than you should stick to your guns( no pun intended). to be hippy is to accept the world as it comes to you and to look at every thing with the intrest and attention of that of a newborn . just practice love, compassion, and do what feels right in your heart. this will help you to find your own personal meaning of what it is to be a hippy.
     
  19. Sophie-Jo

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    Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else feel the main reason some people are giving her a hard time (apart from the military thing) is simply the fact that she asked us to make her more hippie? If she'd said, can anyone help me live an organic, earth-friendly life, I'm sure there would have been far fewer objections. It's just a label, and really not getting worked up over. And as for the military thing, whilst I don't agree with the military, fair play to you for trying to get out but also for honouring your commitments. I really hope that once you get out of it, you can build the life you want
     
  20. Maggie Sugar

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    Makes sense, Sophie-Jo.

    Jane. Live a healthy life, Eat good, healthy food, close to it's natural source as possible, even if that means growing your own, or driving miles to a real farm stand or even a Whole Foods, state your opinions about the Status Quo, where ever and when ever it is neccesary, stick it to the Man, when you can, occasionally getting high would be to your benefit (as long as you don't have small children to care for, that's the case for you now, so it can wait, but eventually a good trip may help you redefine priorities) be as free as your life will let you, THIS is the essence.

    You don't need the label. Don't get hung up on it.

    I am NOT judging your choice, just pointing out that some labels may not be compatible with others. Don't stress the labels, but do all you can to make your voice heard about freedom. Real freedom. Maybe you can work from the INSIDE to make love and peace heard IN the Military. (I was thinking about this last night, as I was falling asleep, and was hoping we could dialogue, and hoped I hadn't hurt your feelings too much to talk about this as adults, and it appears we can :) )

    Telling your CO that the Patriot Act is a fascist article, and you won't support it, and the Constitution doesn't support the "war" in Iraq or Dubya's spying on private citizens and that you will take action if we invade Iran would be tremendously cool. Go to the next Peace Rally in your area, or stat one. In the Military or not, you still have Free Speech. And Free Will. What else can you do to use your dislike of the way the NeoCons are using the Military?

    Maybe you can work from the inside to make things better. LOTS of people in the Military did it during Viet Nam. Many of them actually made huge amounts of progress to end that horrible "war" which is just as ludicrous as the "wars" in Iraq and Afganistan.

    Making the best of what you have is what you can do, if you really want an opinion. Talk to others on Base how you feel about Iraq and Afgan. Tell them what a travesty and mistake invading Iran would be. Talk until you can't talk anymore. THIS would be the Essence, which is, making a difference.

    You are a good mama, and you seem to always stand up for your children, and I really admire that. If you can do the same for "Hippy" priciples, (or Freedom Principles) it would be great. I think you can. I know you can. Now, how can you do this?

    You can be strong, womyn, even if you are stuck in the War Machine for the next 2 years.
     

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