The disprooveing of evalootion thread

1) most christians i deal with are "right" and that is it. there's no denying it. they are the heralds of truth. and if they are, good for them, but i don't want to hear it. would you like to sit and listen to someone argue with you that 2+2=5 just because they think it is right?
2) everybody decides their own religion. if someone wants to be christian, buddhist, atheist, it's their own choice. they don't HAVE to be anything. i wasn't saying that RELIGION by exact definition is a personal choice.
3) most of the crap i have to deal with from christians is guilt. "if i don't get you saved it's blood on my hands, god tells me so." "if you don't save your sould you're going to hell, don't you want to go to heaven?" that's fucked up. flat out, FUCKED UP
4) i'm completely open-minded to everything. i'm willing to listen to you if its your, YOUR opinion, but don't try to make it mine as well
5) hahahaha, actually, i dunno. i've never gotten that before. a canadian with a tan, eh? i guess that makes me special =)

 

So just to be clear - you are convinced you are right about these Christians being wrong?
You are opposed to people who think they are right but are actually dead wrong about it (and you know they are).
People can 'force' other people to believe in certain things but then again, people can just believe whatever they want.
You are suspiciously Canadian looking.. like maybe a 'snowbird' who has been vacationing in Florida.
Hmmmm?

 

lol, no, i'm not convinced christians as a seperate group from the world outside of me is wrong. christianity could all in all seriously be the right way to go. i sense you're trying to fool me into saying "yes i believe that christians are wrong" so you can jumblefuck the mess out of my words to make me sound like a hypocrite. i'm simply saying, i do not believe in christianity, to ME it is wrong. IMHO. i was speaking from the same point that a lot of other people feel as well. i'm pretty damn sure there are other people that feel christianity is not for them. i'm not saying that your faith to you is wrong, i'm not libertine for christ's sake (oh the irony of that). i'm not trying to convert you to my spiritual apathy here erasmus. if you want to be christian, then you have the right to be. that was my point. you have the right to be what you want, i have the right to be what i want. if you would go so far as to say, "god gave us all free will." it's not so free when there's a christian coming to my house telling me i'm going to burn in hell if i don't just the light side. just as equally if there were a mormon, jehova's witness, or some other religious fanatic.
yes, you are right, people can "force" other people, or at least try. but doesn't that get annoying to you? have you ever been in an argument where YOU know you are right, yet someone just goes on and on and on trying to make you believe THEM? i'm sure you have, and i'm sure it was painful.
hmmm, i still dunno. never gotten the canadian thing. this intrigues me. wonder if i was adopted....eh...

 

I don't know why I come back to this thread, it interests me in some ways that I cannot explain. It's not the 1930s anymore, and this is no longer a debate of the educational needs of our youth because the creationists have lost every court battle since the 1930s and there is little chance they will ever win. It's a battle of wills, and that gets dangerous. This last one borderlined on the abortion issue. Next time they may firebomb the principal's office or send snipers out to pick off a few teacher's aides or something. Ooh scary.

The ignorant always resort to violence.

 

Yeah, this thread is officially beyond repair. Oh well, it was fun finding retorts to those arguments while it lasted.

Beyond the Clouds, if you want to continue with the decent Creation vs. Evolution that we bagan with, just PM me with another one of your points (I think we are on 4)

 

One of the things happening lately has been Talkorigins and other antiCreationism or AntiID webmasters have gotten sneaky enough to, in effect, 'blackout' opposing view websites by stacking the Search Engines.
You know what I mean if you tinker with websites - putting phrases and keywords in their Metadata and pages so now a google search for even the NAME of some creationist websites will bring up anticreationist websites.
Anyways... intellectual dishonesty of talkorigins aside:
Consider reading BOTH Talkorigins and the 'counter' to it called www.trueorigins.org and at least get a balance going on.

 

i searched trueorigins and got only trueorigin content for at leas the first 2 pages. Is this just another conspiracy theory? =o I mean youre bound to find some of the same phrasing in two sites that oppose each other.

 

Well I am a hippie christian and I'm happy with that, but I'd like to think that God is responsible for everything, the bible was written after everything that's in it happened so I think that maybe and just maybe God created evolution, in the book of genesis God created the world in seven days, there was no mention of time or how long or short the days was, so what if evolution was created sometime within those seven days.

-I'm sure no one agrees with this but here it's wishful thinking to a never ending debate.......!^^^

 

if the debate for evolution over creationism was so simple, then why do the thousands of scientists in the world not look at that law and instantly become creationists. Not to mention i can't make out anything in that law that relates to evolution,

Secondly, please read the Bible before saying how great God is. www.evilbible.com try that for some quick reading

 

that whole, " No one knows how long those seven days where" crap really pisses me off. If I say I'm going to my friends house in 7 days, does he not think I lied when i don't show up at his house for 7 billion years

 

damn i didnt realise this thread was so long cant be fucked answering an more points

 

Because they don't want to believe creation because that would mean there's a God and that would mean that they are accountable for their sins.

 

oh oh oh I'm going to throw the whole debate off buy saying "Intelligent Design":-D....heh sorry i'm bored at work.

 

it was a simple mis-calculation

 

fear is your only god. has anyone seen god??

 

Most people realize (Christians included) that the stories in Genesis are parable. If you want to begin to scientifically tear them apart you will find many holes. Like how do you measure days before the sun and moon are created? How do Cain and Able have children when the only woman on Earth is their mother? If you are claiming to have a full understanding of Genesis, you put yourself above countless religious scholars who have studied these text and their interpretations for a couple thousand years now. Evolution does nothing but explain a process. Many find it easy to say God blessed them with children when they really know they had to get it on to produce them. Why is it not enough to say God blessed us with life while understanding that there MUST be some visible, physical process that underlies it?

I believe there is a God. I believe you (like me) have little real idea what that means. I believe we are ignorant, and even more so when we pretend to be athorities on things we do not fully understand. Evolution is a process that has been proven beyong any shadow of doubt, but it does not explain why, when and how life came to be on this planet. For those answers we must turn to alternative sources, many choose the bible. I think, read insightfully, it holds many truths. Recanted as though it can be read only one way, as cold-hard fact, not taking into account possible differences in translation, symbolism, and the greatly expanded understanding of the universe is childish at the most basic level.
We can all argue until we are blue in the face, but most probably Genesis paints a picture we are to appreciate each in our own way. Who among you, after all, claims to know the ture intention of the painter?

Ok that's enough of that....

 

Na

 

I personaly always belived that there were other people created. It never says there weren't anybody else. never says there was either. I think alot of times we just go AH HA! I have the answer and never give it a secound thought. From all that I can find it says "The first people" never "The only people". Wasn't trying to argue just thought I'd share everyone what I think


Btw POP3 I dig your name! I work Techsupport for ISPs

 

I think most people believe in consequences. Scientists aren't a large group of people trying to duck responsibility for their actions. Get a better grasp of science before trying to disprove evolution and prove creationism, you may be taken more seriously and wont be wasting time.

 

you idiot!
do you realize with that statement basically you just said "all scientists are excused of their sins"
according to you, only IF they believed in creation then they are accountable?
so since i don't i'm not accountable, i can run around doing whatever free of "god's" wrath simply because i don't believe in him
hahah, why not think before you post BTC
that applies to all of your posts