Dead in Heaven, Dead in Hell

I believed in the afterlife for a while simply because without it, I might go into a state of depression. The thought of this being my only life and the fear of wasting it provoked me to believe there was something more after all of this. But I've been thinking for a while, and I've started to wonder about how great an afterlife would be, heaven or hell regardless. After all, heaven is eternal bliss, absolute fulfillment and satisfaction, and hell is eternal pain, suffering, and grief. But no matter what, if you wind up in either of these "afterlifes", you are dead. Not just because you're body had died, but because you are in a place with one extreme emotion in it. The essence of life is the spiral of emotions dancing in and out of your consiousness, so with one single emotion there is no life. And with one emotion, what difference does it make? The significance of one emotion is equal to the definition of one isolated entity (as in titles such as "god" or "satan"). so no matter what, if you die and go to heaven you will be as dead as you feared while in life.

 

That sounds fuckin awful. But how about if it's not heaven/hell but something completely unimagined? Not even reincarnation. but just going to a different level or section of the game. The joke could still continue. We could be eternal pawns, the but of a never ending joke, the ultimate PWNED@!!ONE#@w!11!!!

 

indeed...

 

How can you know what Heaven is like? The Bible says that there will be rejoicing in Heaven and that's positive emotion.

 

^thats like saying there will be mountains in Heaven, but no valleys. Positive and negetive go together man.

 

Not with mdma.

 

but without negative emotions, the positive emotions have no effect. and if there is both negative and postive emotions in heaven, I'd say we're already there.

 

It's hard to know what Heaven is like because it's probobly so different from earth that we would have a hard time understanding. Just know that it's good, and our brains will probobly be differant too, so earth emotions will not compare.

 

Exactly, in Heaven, a positive experience would just be "an experience" because there is no negative to compare it to. i remember this sort of thing came up before in a good and evil thread. Without evil, good just "is" and has no effect...

not really sure where my opinion is on this one...

 

...but then it won't be us who are in this "heaven". if you reconfigure someone's mind so that it reacts differently to the afterlife, you have just created a new person and the original one, who may have worked their whole life to be a kind person, has disappeared.

if thats the case, god might as well kill us all and start from scratch to make heaven's population.

 

That's like saying 'without sweetness sour would have no effect.' They are different emotions, the black keys on the piano.

Not quite. A little growing up to do.

 

...its a philosophy...im saying that if heaven has negative and positive emotions, thats like this world. good and bad are a balance, and by this balance things can work. if good outweighed the bad, the balance would be disrupted and the universe would not work. so in order for something to exist, there must be this balance. the world we live in has this balance, so if heaven had anything other than that it wouldnt work.

 

once again, good creates evil and evil creates good, just as it is with joy and sorrow, and every other emotions.

yes...yes I realize that. thats the thing, the emotions are different and need each other to create life. life is all of the keys, the black and the white, but it seems heaven is often described as being perfect, which would be "just the white keys" and hell would be "just the black keys".

 

Ohh, I think a melody without the black keys would be more suited to hell than heaven. Each key in its place a melody makes.

If you get overly attached to a specific note, your appreciation of the melody is disrupted- you see that note, lose the context and the whole.

 

Maybe bliss is a combination of all the emotions the way that white is a combination of all the colors.

 

And silence is the combination of all sounds? Probably why we can hear better in silence...

 

from what i scanned no ones thought of the fact...That we'll remeber what Earth is like and the pain. So why would heaven need negative if we've already felt it? Whose to say emotion is bad? God feels Joy and Sorrow...If emtions are inherently evil a God that feels Sorrow would be a God that has evil? If you belive that God is all good then sorow can't be evil. So since we'll remeber what earth is like and emotions aren't inherantly evil....Then why would we need negative emotions that don't really exist?

 

because it wouldnt be life anymore without negative emotions. god may feel sorrow, but that doesn't mean there will be pain for us. most people, when you ask them to describe heaven, will paint a picture of a land where absolutely NOTHING is bad. those are the people I'm addressing when I say that a world with no evil, pain, or sorrow is lifeless.

and i never said emotions were inherently evil. in fact, I'm saying emotions are good, because they're what make life.

 

I wasn't directly saying anyone said that

As far as heaven, i belive that we aren't meant for heaven. heaven is only a temp type thing

 

i dont see the logic in that. Stones dont have emotions yet they dont cease to exist.