question for the hippie women

I am a women of generation x and I have noticed that my generation seems to be lacking in any kind of womens rights activism, or any activism for that matter.

So my question is for the baby boomer women. Do you find yourself dissapointed in our generation for their lack of taking a role in changing the world for the better as your generation of women have.

would you like to see more of generation x women become more active in issues.

I feel with the bush administration chipping away at our civil rights we should be organizing rallies, protests, or even throwing caution to the will and get a good old fashioned bra burning bonfire going.

I just feel like I am one of the few in my generation that is so dissappointed in the layed back mannor we have and just let the chips fall where they lay. Hell my generation doesn't even think going to the polls is important, how the heck is our generation going to even get it together enought to light a match for a bra burning.

I just wanted to know what the women of the baby boomer generation thought of the generation x women.

 

I'm also part of generation x. Most of our generation is pretty brainwashed and does what the government and corporations tell them (directly or indirectly through propoganda). Womens rights have evolved to the point where, even though they aren't REALLY equal, they are equal enough so that nobody cares. Most people don't go to the polls and they aren't going to be going any time soon (I mean when we all turn 18).

If it makes you feel better I'm going to be in a civil rights parade (and even if it doesn't, I'm still going).

I don't know what the baby boomer generation thinks.

I'd say that every decent person my age I know reguards both sexes equally. There are still adults out there that continue to supress women though (and I've heard some really REALLY stupid steriotypes about women from some adults that beforehand I kind of respected and other people respect). Most people are feminists weather they label themselves it or not.

 

sometimes women get better benefits then men. what happened to equality?

 

I was disinfranchised.
I grew up with feminists.
and I backed the whole deal.

I think its stupid to even have to have the label.
I don't want to be considered a 'feminist'...whatthe hell do we actually mean by that.
I just would like people to be themselves and expect no bullshit given or gotten.

I lost any kind of respect that I may have half heartedly had for the head Fem of the 70's...Gloria Steinam...

The one grope rule...ha

Yep Gloria you set it all back..any headway that was gotten was spit in the face by you.

I believe that you should be a decent person period.
When we start going against a group of people over something they have no control over ( pesky gender) its pretty immature.
Alot of it has just turned into it being OK to bash men in general...no no say it ain't so...but it is...women get away with being "proud to be a bitch" like thats something to be proud of???

Yes there are jerko's who are men..and women who give bitches a good name...
But what is the intent behind all of that?

So while I belive it is a good thing to get riled up over an injustice and work to help over come it..I see no reason to drive a wedge between any groups.

Usually if you talk with common sense and get the other person to see the err of their ways they will come around.

Yes there still are finacial imbalances to overcome, and that should not be so..but there have been alot of strides made.

And I do believe that the people of this generation do need to be passionate about making sure that the goverment is held accountable to its employers(all of us)...and there are so many things to do...I don't know if putting a "feminist" spin on it is all that important anymore...there are so many injustices done just to an average everyday person that need to be addressed.

 

Great post - all of it!

 

I wasn't around then, so I can't say anything from that point of view, but a good book to read about modern-day feminism is "Are Men Neccessary?" by Maureen Dowd. It'll give you some detailed insight on what feminism has become as of late, and I think you'll find that helpful. It's a little disorganized, but as a whole, it's a great book.

~Nova

 

I think a lot of people think that feminists are, hairy legged, forthright, women should work while men stay home, equal everything, women don't need men etc.


True or not, i think a lof of the things that were used to distinguish so called feminists decades ago, are apt for more women and maybe even men. Most people would rather things to be equal, i know a lot of fathers who would love to stay at home and have the mother working etc. It's all about rights, and who doesn't want what's fair?

 

I do find it important to put a feminist spin on things. I am not a man and don't even come close to thinking in the say way that they do. It isn't about me hating men it is a matter of acknowledging that I am different and having some pride in being a women.

As far as the word feminist, it isn't an excuse to act like a total bitch, quite the contrary. I find the word feminist empowering but not meaning bulldozing over everyone to get what I want. I think feminism is a word that is bonding for women to band together on issues that are important to women, frankly there are issues that are solely for women and men and governments should have no say so in.

I don't see feminism as a bad word. I think more of feminism as a stay at home mom that teaches her daughter to play baseball, or football. A mom that works and brings her children to work with her occasionally and shows them what she does and takes pride in her work and accomplishments. A young women that finds value in something and works to make changes for the better. A women comfortable enough to have a stay at home husband. I think feminism is more what you do in the small circle you live in that the gathering of a large band of women and screaming at the white house. I just feel my generation (gen X) is lacking in the ambition to do more that as little as possible to get by.

I will give you an example my mom and I were talking about. The is an alarming rise in boomers finding themselves squished between 2 generations. Boomers are taking in and caring for their parents that are sick or ailing then their children are retuning to the nest with their children in tow. I find this disturbing and well disappointing. I understand sometime that things happen and there is a good reason why a young person may need to return home until they get on their feet. but that is just it they aren't just staying to get on their feet they are staying and staying and staying, like how the heck want to leave I have a free ride here. Part of being an adult is being able to stand on your own feet. And what kind of example does that set for their children to see mom wasting her life living on their parents. I will tell you this teaches then that when they grow up there is nothing to worry about that I can just live off my parents all my life. but they are in for a rude awakening when one day the boomers are gone and neither one of them can stand on their own two feet.

Sorry for going on and on. I am not trying to bash anyone Just stating how I feel and the problems I see with the world. I am sorry if you find that offensive.

 

Now where in the world did anyone say they were offended???
Never apologize for your opinion...you are entitled to it....lol.

When my kids were growing up I taught them to take resposibility for themselves and to not take advantage of others (including me).

They never have.

I also taught them that in order to get by in this world..you have to set your priorities in order and live accordingly.
Rely on yourself, learn a trade and never be afraid of washing dishes in a diner if thats what it takes to make an honest living.
If a grown child is used to living a certain way and all of a sudden they have to sacrifice and they have never been taught that sometimes you have to do without..they have a meltdown.
Way too many spoiled youngins wandering around.

If the tides turn and a catastrophy goes down...sickness, being laid off from a job..my door is open to my kids...HOWEVER, a time limit would be set and every day steps taken towards that time limit would be met.
So if the kids have come home to roost and they have brought their kids in tow...SOMEONE needs to grow a backbone and put a big ol foot down.

I just see way too many labels thrown around and thats not what people are about.
It's just like political parties...I think someone who is informed and takes all information into account then makes an informed decision could not possibly flat out say.."I am a democrat" or "I am a liberal" Or whatever...
There are good things and really stupid things involved with any of these parties.

Just as labeling someone "feminist" may conjure up different ideas to different people..as an example from the posts above.

Some of the women that I have known did become male bashers, and God forbid a man should want some good dinner when he got home from work..heck she's a feminist...can't do anything for a man in case the rest of the feminist's find out...she'll be labeled a traitor.
This was in the 70's.
People did take it too far.

I believe we are all due respect and should not have to be part of a movement to have equal pay or equal say.
However I know that for generations the atmosphere surrounding women and the inferiority that was thrust upon them brought it to a well deserved head.

It had to bust wide open and without the woman's movement the strides that have been made may not have happened on their own.

But times have changed. I have issues with Gloria and the way she held up a grope for free for Bill Clinton. Ridiculous.
I also have issues with past presidents of N.O.W.

The young women of today I believe need to speak out to other women of today regarding a lack of caring about birth control, self degradation, allowing themselves to be portrayed as "Ho's" and "bitches", lack of resposibility towards their children, the health of themselves and their families and so on.

So yes. I do believe there is work to be done and raising strong children..male and female is one of the first steps.
I have no issue about anyone being a feminist..I just don't know what that label holds anymore.
Now..Realist...I kinda like that word.

Fem mamma..I applaud you..I love seeing anyone of this generation recognizing that this way laid back atmosphere is a dangerous thing.

I think its wonderful that you are interested in causes and are not afraid to get involved and do something.
We need more young people just like you.

 

Hi ladies-I just had to jump in and say that every one of those posts was great-I think Teepi has it right; Feminist started getting a bad name when some women became manhaters' but it's great if women would organize more and call on the government to start a special task force to go after these sick men that are grabbing women and kids!-This is sickening-Everyday theres a new women or child snatched!-Wow and it used to be safe to hitchike!-Also' it's good for men to know that a women will not put up with abuse-that also is out of hand-Real men love and protect their women and the women next door and the kids; Sick men with twisted minds that hurt people should be hunted down!There is a special place in hell for these guys!-Be careful out there ladies-don't walk alone especially at night-sorry that the male species is making your world unsafe-it's not supposed to be that way-

 

First off, neither you nor Green are Generation X.

Gen X came of age in the 70s... if you listened to Blondie and the Ramones as a teenager Gen X is YOU. At 27 and less than 20 respectively, you are NOT Gen X.

You at 27 would be the tail end of 13th Gen, and green is a Millennial.

 

It all depends on who you ask as to what classification your generation is. some people classify differently. I am not going to squabble over it. If you feel the need to feel right and correct me great for you, I just don't have that need.

 

Very well put Teepi, so very true all of it. Give yourself a pat on the back for explaining it so well. Must be the artist in you. LOL I'm sure the younger ones understand better now how it went down.
Thanks Robspace2 for speaking out against the male abusers out there, a lot of men take it so personaly they tend to defend the actions of the abusers. Unfortunatley it still goes on, the penal system needs to come down harder on those assholes.
Irongoth, you avoided the whole issue and just wasted your time trying to correct Feministmama on what the generation was........who cares?? You missed the whole point. So to you???? Whatever!!!

 

Yes Rob,

here is a prime example of a concern that I think women DO have to speak out about.

Alot of states have NO mandatory sentencing for child abuse.
Just this past week Judge Cashman in Vermont handed out a 60 day sentence to a man who confessed to raping a 6 year old for 4 years.....60 DAYS!!!
he was sentenced to life..with all but 60 days suspended in the name of him being able to recieve "treatment"...Well I have written to Jim Davis..the Gov. of Vermont for what thats worth...but word came today that he is waiting to see if the judge is going to change the sentence (which he can do)..

anyway, yes domestic violence is a huge issue..and I fear the attitude of so many young people are not helping to create any change in this concern.
I spoke before of women buying into this"whore" "bitch" thing..its popular in todays music to call women these names, and I have seen a couple video's that women in them appear to be comfortable being degraded.
This sends the attitude to young men that it's OK.

Those attitudes need to change.

These idiots singing these songs and the radio stations playing them and the kids buying them need to be told "NO MORE"...
And YES I KNOW its a game but this Grand Theft Auto and games like it...well,garbage in...garbage out.
As I write this Larry has Conan on..and there is some band on there and the tall 2 year-old singing is walking back and forth across the stage with his wee wee in his hand.....
Thats what 2 year olds do...cause they discover the wee wee and they get a sense of security when they hold it...now gee...when does one grow up??
This is acceptable?? On TV??
So...yeah ya got cha work cut out for ya there...

Ok you youngins...I nor any of the grown ups can tell you how to live your life...but please, look around and see what IS wrong and make your decisions wisely.
Make an effort to be the best person you can be, the world, this planet, and the other people here with you need you to make good choices and cut out the bullshit.
Bullshit, now there's another good word...kinda stinky...but it fits so much in the world today.

Ok I'm ranting too much again....
Got to lay my weary bones down for awhile.

Hi Villagesam!!

Good night all, and know that I care about all of you,
teepi

 

Very well put Teepi-the "entertainment" industry is getting away with alot of crap-The lyrics and the video games all depict a women as a peace of meat-There is one game out there where a carload of guys picks a women up and take turns raping her in an alley!-What kinda shit is that!-Yes-You younger ladies should be totally pissed to have this stuff out there-It just makes these young guys lose all respect for women-Sometimes you can see where their attitudes come from-Like the mom back east hiring a stripper for her kids birthday party with all his buddies-and I have met more then one mother that got high with her kids-bad shit-what are they thinkin?It's sad and there are alot of kids being taken away from these idiots-so-to the young men out there I say this-never-ever -under any circumstance put your hands on a women or girl--be a man-suck it up and walk away-don't let anger take over and destroy yours or somebody elses life-live your life like somebodys watching you!-cuz there is-

 

hi everyone just reading all the above
feminist or non feminist i think every one man or woman has the right to stand up for what they believe in and should not abuse that right.treat others how you your self would expect to be tret and you will not go far wrong.
as for the generation thing yes we are all from this generation or that generation but hey we are a multi cultural race and can all get along just fine

 

I think "femanists" did alot and accomplished alot at the time. But I've always been sceptical of anything that excludes someone. ALL genders are collectively suffering from apathy at this point, and it would be GREAT if ANYBODY would do something for the greater good.

Just as a joke, I've always thought of myself as a FEMALE chauvanist. Lots of men I know have this THING that says that women are only capable of certain things, and the men MUST do the things women can't do. And I think that's funny. So, I like to play their game and sit back and watch(and laugh) while the men struggle with something I could do easily. I have a habit of letting them think they are being "manly" until they give up, and then, when nobody's looking, I fix whatever it was... Drives them wild. But it teaches them something too. If I really wanted to be sexist, I'd say that WOMEN are the stronger sex, and men are the weaker and more emotional ones. Because it seems to be true. But the men NEED to grow beyond this and we all need to stand together as one. And I'm afraid that if the "feminist movement" got going again, it might not be the BEST thing. The idea of a bunch of "assertive" women running things because the men can't get it together is scary. Balance is best. We were all put here for a reason. Male, female, gay, lesbian, what-have-you. So, we should be working together to make this world a better place, not dividing up. I'm disappointed in EVERYBODY who is not working towards a positive goal in this lifetime.

 

I Just Love that Earthmother...

 

RE: It all depends on who you ask as to what classification your generation is. some people classify differently.

No, the classical definition holds. Remember, "Generation X" was a band in the.... mid to late 70s?

Thanks for playing.

If you're going to insist that I refer to a corpse as a "non living person" O feminista, at least get your definitions straight.

Nobody would classify Green as a "baby boomer" - that would be wrong, if I did it you sure as hell wouldn't say "well you can make it up as you go along."

 

Sloth Outta Here!