Pro-life or pro-choice?

Well, I thought I already mentioned the fact that the entire world population could be put into Texas and it would be no more crowded than New York City... So compared to the world population an extra 850,000, their offspring, offspring's offsprings, etc, isn't a whole lot more...

 

Maybe you did. But I was referring to quality of life rather than over-crowding. Of course the world isn't over-crowded in terms of space. I'm talking in terms of resources, and just the way unwanted kids are treated over-prolongued periods during their lives. Embryos don't suffer the burden of memory.

 

You didn't answer the question. I was not asking if the the planet could support the children, I asked who would support the children and where will the resources come from. You are not the only anti-abortion person I have met who does not want to think about these issues. In fact I have never met a single one who had an answer, they, like you, prefer to dodge the question. My solution is keep abortion rare, safe and legal, what is your solution ?

 

And it is a wonderful thing that you have the choice and that you and you alone can make the decsion without government intervention.

 

Okay, I wasn't trying to "dodge the question" I just mistook the question. What makes you think that the kids would have it so bad? You know the woman in the Roe vs. Wade trial did NOT get an abortion (the trial lasted too long) and she fell in LOVE with her child after it was born! She is now an advocate for pro-life, I do believe. So what makes you think that these women won't do what is completely natural for them to do and love their children after they are born? And as far as living enviroment goes, material stuff isn't everything, or really anything. And we have enough programs that helps people with kids that they won't be homeless. And if your issue is distribution, we are talking about AMERICA! We have plenty of food and stuff to distribute. It is VERY Rare that someone, ESPECIALLY a child or someone with (a) child(ren) will starve in the US (although I admit it DOES happen, but not very often, and nothing will ever completely wipe out that issue).

I guess the best solution I can offer is that maybe the mom, and hopefully a dad who doens't run out like a total heartless jerk, have the child and do as nature intended and teach the children and love them.

 

This "Hope for the best" strategy didn't work prior to Roe v. Wade and it certainly is not going to work today. You understand the reality is, prior to Roe v. Wade, women were FORCED into motherhood by government intervention. It FORCED these women into situations they didn't want to be in. It FORCED them to drop out of High School or College and get minimum wage jobs, FORCING themselves and thier children to life in poverty. It FORCED them to marry men they didn't love. It FORCED medical bills on them they many were not be able to afford. Worst of all, it FORCED desprate women into getting back alley abortions or trying to do it themselves. Are you seeing the pattern here, Is this the world you want to go back to ?

 

I don't believe it has to happen that way. If one gets pregnant, they can CHOOSE to put it up for adoption or to even go to the length of finding a family for the baby to make sure it's not in foster care or orphanages for any period of time. OR they can CHOOSE to keep the child. Lots of schools have daycares these days so even if one has a baby early on, they can still CHOOSE to graduate. They can CHOOSE to get married if they want to, as opposed to doing it for the sake of the kid (which isn't usually in the best interest of the kid). Whereas, while abortion is legal, the baby is FORCED to DIE. Doesn't that count for something?

 

Okay, but (unless it was a rape) no one FORCED the woman to have unprotected sex with the guy risking getting knocked up! Her OWN choice! As I have said before, life is full of choices, and most of the times every choice has a consequence! If you can't face them, yuo weren't ready to make the choice! And now, as opposed to then, there are differant options for unwed mothers so they don't have to give up their whole life, as monospere said!



I COMPLETELY agree with you monospere! Right on!

 

I am pro-choice. I don't think that it's right, for anyone to impose their specific beliefs on another...While I personally would not get an abortion, no one should be forced to keep a baby against their will. The child didn't ask to be born. And that's who would be getting hurt in the long run. That's just my opinion though.




Ambrosia

 

Women have a right to choose. That's why I am in favor of a womans right to choose an abortion.

I abhore the term "pro-life" because it isn't! It is anti-choice. When that was pointed out, anti-choice ppl started to worry about Dr Kevorkian, but they still don't care about life, that is, the living.

Not only am I pro-choice, but I am against the churchy types trying to run everbody elses lives. Just try to love each other, okay?

 

I haven't read all of the posts and I am not knocking anyone's opinion because I believe that each person MUST choose their own path in life. In just broad general terms though the two major groups...liberal and conservative...confuse me on this issue and the death penalty. The cons want to save the babies because "all life is sacred" and yet want to imprison everyone they can get their hands and and to execute as many of those as they can. The libs want to allow killing the babies on a whim and yet some mass murderer in prison on death row is worth saving at all costs. If life is sacred then ALL life should be sacred. If killing is allowed then all classes of killing should be acceptable. Neither group is consistent in thier belief system or the application of it. That is why i think both groups are big fat phonies (i mean the politicians and political parties). I happen to believe that ALL life is sacred and killing is wrong but I AM NOT A WOMAN AND I DON'T STAND IN JUDGEMENT OF ANY WOMAN THAT MUST MAKE A DIFFICULT DECISIION IN HER LIFE IN AN AREA THAT I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO EXPERIENCE. It must be a horribly diffuclt decision to make and my heart goes out as much to the woman as to her unborn baby.

 

Well, I think it should be solely the decision of the woman and no law should stop her from having abortion, if she wants to. Yes, "all life is sacred" and we must do what we can to repect this. However, most of the abortions are carried out in the earliest stages of pregnancy and at that time, the fetus is a mere cell in its earliest developing stage. That's not a "living" human being!
Moreover, if a woman wants to abort her fetus, what's anybody else's problem? It's HER decision, after all and if she feels that she doesn't want to have a child, why should anybody else interfere in her personal life?
And I agree with Mychal here that the term "pro-life" isn't pro-life. It's anti-choice and in fact, "anti-rights" too as it tries to infringe upon the rights of a woman.

 

Keep abortion legal so that I can park my car without it getting broken into.

 

Is abortion a happy thing? No. Is it sometimes a necessary evil? Yes. Do women who had one need our love and compassion? Yes. Is it our place to tell them what to do? No. Can we control other people? No. Should we try? No. Can we state our opinions to them? Yes. But just once, or else its nagging.

 

I don't think I agree with that. I think a baby is a living human being from conception. The thing is, neither one of us can be proven right or wrong at this time. But with the uncertainty in it, could I justify killing this baby based on a "maybe"? Just like I can't condone putting a man to death if there's any question in my mind of his guilt.

The problem is that she's not deciding what she's doing with HER body, but of another life's body. That's the problem. And it's not a matter of anti-choice. If a woman wants to cut off her legs at the knees, pierce her eyelids, tattoo "Got Milk?" on her boobs, or have a hysterectomy, I'm not gonna say a damned thing about it. It's a choice she's making about herself. But when it comes to taking the life of another, I don't think that ANY human has the right to decide on anyone's life but their own. Again, not just abortion, but capital punishment as well. I won't be hypocritical about it.

There are some doctors who will argue that some babies can think and remember from conception. Maybe look into the book "Babies Remember Birth" by David Chamberlain, Ph.D. There should be sources listed in that book regarding this. Now, you might say it's bullshit, and maybe you're right. But what if you're not? IF this statement is true, then abortion is nothing more than murder, which is against the law. no choice about it. This is why I can't condone it.

And BlackGuard did bring something up that pro-lifers should think about. Do women who had an abortion need our love and compassion? Absolutely! I do know people who had abortions. They know my views on the subject and it's decided that it isn't a topic to discuss with each other. But it doesn't mean that I hate them. I'm very sad for them. And I'm very sorry for them. But I will still love them with all of my heart.

 

I have an idea about how to deal with the extra 850,000 children if Roe v. Wade were over turned and a federal ban on abortion followed. How about we collect the the names of all the anti-choice people and enter them into a lotto and the winners get sent a baby along with the bill for carrying the baby to term. Just to make sure we have enough people in the lotto, we will include any children these people have who are 14 years or older. Any bets that 90% of America would suddenly be pro-choice.

 

Honestly. Pro-life? You've got to be kidding me. Since when are we going to sit here and allow the goverment and laws tell us what we as women can or can't do with our bodies? Hmmm. you tell me what you want. and Im gonna tell you what you get.
We need the choice. It's OUR bodies. Not theirs. And if somebody is as ignorant and un-responsible to go out and have un-protected sex and then kill their unborn child. thats on them. That shouldn't kill the choice for the rest of us. You see what Im trying to say?


<33al

 

The fetus has it's own brainwaves, heartbeat, and blood type. While it is IN your body, it's NOT your body. That's the problem here. I don't want to end your rights. I just want to protect the baby.

But why should you have the choice to kill?

I can see how women would feel it should be their choice. But how many pro-choice people have really tried to understand why a pro-lifer thinks the way they do? I think if you put yourself in their frame of mind for a moment, you might not be so rushed to condemn them for believing what they believe.

 

Sadly this is exactly how the right wing in this country feels. They honestly beleive that women can not be trusted to make decsions about thier own individual bodies, but multinational corporations can be trusted and should be allowed to make decsions that effect millions of people without hinderance, regulation or oversight.