. Of course there was nothing you said to prove that. I was mimicking your rhetorical style you ignoramus. You know, if you can make blanket statements about me that don't regard what I've written, I thought I would try it on you. Smarts don't it. (ooooh, smell me!) That is one fairy tale that is true. You should believe it, only because it's true, but bigotry has a way of blurring the truth. btw, I didn't disregard your "accusations as somehow 'invalid' because they were 'what if' speculations"; I disregarded them because they were the illogical ramblings of a fool. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Earlier I made a gorilla theator suggestion to order a bumper sticker, cut out the man and woman symbol and carry them around and then paste them onto an existing bumber sticker like this: TheRealPamela suggested that one use the return envelope to send back a letter of condemnation. The stickers are available for free from www.cbn.com/special/marriageamendment/ They come with a postage paid return envelope, which can be used to voice your opinions to the CBN directly. .
Let us see if I have this all in one place and give you a chance to deny any part of it that I have misunderstood before I reply. Everyone joined the Hitler youth Christians stood four square and united against Hitler There are no such people as Gays Gay sex is just sort of a bad habit like smoking My Fathers generation (He and two of his brothers served one of my mothers brothers and two of her sisters served) were very Christian people. I feel that Pat Robinson should be held up as an example of Christians Right Wing Conservative Evangelicals see a national socialist state as a bad thing 'Gay Activist' = 'Nazi Mentality' I sit awaiting correction
I notice you need a lot of hand-holding and step by step walks through these things so maybe I can help.. Yes. Everyone on Earth. I think there were some 2.5 Million members. My understanding was that 13 year old boys from villages were obligated to join the Hitler Youth when recruiters came to town. I suppose you did not have to do that but I suspect that 'Option B' was probably not pleasant for Pope Benedicts Parents. Gulp! H.hh..how can I answer that now that you put a bunch of conditions.. gulp... errr.. uhhh Idiot. I wouldnt fall over in total shock if there was some element of predisposition, just as some people are born with a more or less predisposition to alcoholism. Even still, you have to actually develop the psychological vulnerability and then choose to drink and then keep drinking. Even still.. There is no such thing as a 'type of person' who is called 'a gay' in any real sense of the word 'people'. No more than there are a type or group of person known as 'The Smokers'. Thats right. You have a problem with that? Yes. Specifically those people in your family were 'very christian people'. If you can prove otherwise then that proves that 1940s America was more non-Christian than today. Idiot. If you dont then you should. He is a Kook and cant go a week without putting his foot in his mouth. This would be IDEAL if you can hold him up as the example of Christianity because it would make a fantastic propaganda tool for you. As a rule and almost by definition (and I would argue 'to a fault') Right Wing Conservative Evangelicals would very much consider it a very very bad thing. Most of these people cant even stomach a national socialised medical system. Yeah... I can definately see that. Well there you go.
christian hate = the bastard preacher phelps christians DO hate, not all hate but the vocal ones do, some of Erasmus70's post border on the verge of hateful. I was brought up in the church but started questioning the dogma. I opened my eyes and saw christianity as a vehicle for intolerance and narrow mindedness and hate for those not like them. In the past it has decimated indigenous peoples and their way of life to convert them (the heathens) to christianity. I won't have anything to do with that nonsense any more.
The ONLY people who take 'Reverend' Phelps seriously.. or even remember him by name are Gays and Media People. He wouldn't make it through the front doors of most any Real Church in the Free World. You do not think I verge on 'Hateful' and nothing I have said to you qualifies as 'hateful'. Some of you people carry around that word like its a bag of feces you use to blackmail or threaten anyone who dares not Speakthink properly. Believe me.. there are a few types of people I really 'hate' but dudes giving each other 'BJ's dont even come close to getting any of my hatred.
Now that you have made a reply, let’s see what I can do Everyone joined the Hitler youth You are correct about this. Following 1936, it was mandatory for all children to join. The original Hitler Youth was the training ground for the SA and SS and was considered a privilege. However, it changed over time. I set corrected. Christians stood four square and united against Hitler You ducked this one and called me an idiot (how did that advance our conversation) You should look into the amount of collaboration of the organized church with the Nazi party I refer you to point 24 of the 25 points of policy and to the testimony of Von Papen at Nuremberg on 17 June 1946. Also, look into the actions of the Papal Nuncio in Berlin and the presence of Bishop Berning on the State Council. There are no such people as Gays Gay sex is just sort of a bad habit like smoking You might want to look into the results of PET scans on Gay and hetro individuals, Evidence of Glucose uptake shows that Gays are wired up different from heterosexual people. These findings extent to prepubescent individuals so I have strong doubts that it is just a matter of picking up a “bad” habit, I also find it interesting that you picked smokers and alcoholism as your examples to pair with the “gay habit” that would not be pejorative would it? My Fathers generation (He and two of his brothers served one of my mothers brothers and two of her sisters served) were very Christian people. You should look into the effect that the great depression and WWII had on general religious behavior in America. My father who joined the military in 1937 to find a job always maintained that a preacher was a man who was too lazy to plow. My mother became a Freethinker because of the churches objection to women working in war plants. Everybody from Woody Guthrie to John Dos Passos wrote about the decline of the church during this period That generation took to the roads to try to find work during the depression, came as close as this country has ever gotten to communism, and sent more radicals to congress than ever before. After they got through WWII, there was a huge change in sexual behavior, social behavior, and a rise in general education due to the GI bill. They started the baby boom, the Hells angles, and the Beat generation. Compared to what we have now they were damn near atheists. You should look into the cycles of religious awakenings in the US we are in one now but that generation was a long way away from it. You also found it necessary to call me an Idiot again. 1. A common term for a person of low general intelligence. usage note This may be used pejoratively, as an insult. It is a weak insult, however, and between close friends, family members, or lovers, is often completely nonaggressive. 2. A medical or psychological term meaning a person who lacks the capacity to develop beyond the mental age of a normal four-year-old. You might want to seek out another stronger insult if you are using the first meaning if you are using the second most four year olds cannot type. Even poorly (grin) I feel that Pat Robinson should be held up as an example of Christians Your answer states that if I don’t I should – Do you feel that I have something against normal Christians that would make me want to use this Demagogue as an example of them. I think Christians are somewhat misguided folks in many ways. However, the vast majority of them that I know are not evil. Right Wing Conservative Evangelicals see a national socialist state as a bad thing Right Wing Conservative Evangelicals have made common cause with everyone from The Brotherhood to the Covent, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord. Christian Identity Ministers have justified the use of violence if it is perpetrated in order to punish violations of God’s Law. This includes killing interracial couples, abortionists, prostitutes and homosexuals, burning pornography stores and robbing banks and perpetrating frauds to undermine the “usury system”. Sounds a lot like National Socialism to me. By the way, National Healthcare does not have a lot to do with National Socialism 'Gay Activist' = 'Nazi Mentality' You replied “Yea… I can definitely see that.” – We already know that you can see that you said it in the first place. What I am asking is for you to support that statement.
Seriously though, you really are an idiot. That last post pretty much sealed the deal on it. No offense.
thats correct. Im not going to reduce myself to your level of stupidity by pretending that there hasnt been a dramatic decline in Practicing Christianity in the last 65 years or the equally stupid notion that Right Wing Christians support National Socialism. Also, I cannot decide which is the most dumbassed pretense ever seen flown by an antichristian? I think its a Tie.
Thats why you make stupid comments undeserving of a reply? I think its clear that Church Membership and those identifying themselves as practicing Christians has declined substantially since the 40s. If you want to insist otherwise (and get another response) then maybe you could offer some evidence of this contrary belief. The reason I say that is because it would be a MAJOR DISCOVERY to Sociologists across the lands! People would probably pay you for his information! No? Nothing from you?
You do not read very carefully my friend what I said was You should look into the effect that the great depression and WWII had on general religious behavior in America. My father who joined the military in 1937 to find a job always maintained that a preacher was a man who was too lazy to plow. My mother became a Freethinker because of the churches objection to women working in war plants. Everybody from Woody Guthrie to John Dos Passos wrote about the decline of the church during this period That generation took to the roads to try to find work during the depression, came as close as this country has ever gotten to communism, and sent more radicals to congress than ever before. After they got through WWII, there was a huge change in sexual behavior, social behavior, and a rise in general education due to the GI bill. They started the baby boom, the Hells angles, and the Beat generation. Compared to what we have now they were damn near atheists. You should look into the cycles of religious awakenings in the US we are in one now but that generation was a long way away from it. I stated that religion in the US runs in cycles as I stated we are in one now. However your statement was It would seem that the majority of men and women that died and served to defeat Hitler and rescue his victims would (by todays standards) be consider right-wing Christians. (back in the 40's most Americans would be considered 'extreme right wing Christians' by todays standards I mean) Then you changed your statement by saying Im not going to reduce myself to your level of stupidity by pretending that there hasnt been a dramatic decline in Practicing Christianity in the last 65 years There was indeed a decline in religion in the 30’s 40’s and 50’s during the 60’s the Jesus freaks and the more left wing of the catholic church brought many back into the fold. The rightward movement of the country during the Regan Revolution saw Religion becoming mainstream again and moving to the social right. At the same time, it began to make alliances to the far right movements who were reacting to the social programs of the 60’ and 70’s. These groups with there racist agenda (Welfare queens, feminazis etc.) made common cause with the religious right. You might want to look into the social cycles of great awakenings and might see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Generation The world today is not the world as it has always been
I cannot believe it. After (as related above) I sent ten copies of the suggested letter to the Christian Broadcasting Network I received a reply today. Along with a bold-faced appeal for money, they sent (you guessed it), another postage paid envelope. My conclusion was of course that they must want more letters (it is a large organization) so I sent them another 10 and postage has gone up. Life is good.
It might be early and Im still having a coffee.... but did you just validate exactly what I told you in the first place? Yes. Yes you did. Wow. (and then you wonder why I dont even have to reply when you did it for me anways)
Sorry mate, Eramus has his point. Good on you for trying though. Trapped between preaching to the converted (here) and the lobotomised (there) has never been all that easy.