Defenders of the Faith

I want to play a game. I am an alien who only understands certain things about logic and nature. I have never had any experience or reason to believe in anything otherwise.

I ask you Christians to defend the faith from my ignorance.

The alien is just ignorant of your truths, but he is intelligent enough to grasp reason and logic. So, defend the faith, Crusaders!

Convince me.

 

Edited.

 

Last time I gave you my answer you said it was a copout but here it is again.
You can't prove faith, because faith is beliving with out proof"

 

Why would you want to do that?

 

cause you asked silly boy!

 

You would want to believe without evidence just because I asked?

Pardon me if that seems a little shallow.

 

lol I read the question wrong! sorry. No I belive that because I'm a creature of Subjective Pesronal Experince

 

But, why even being a creature of subjective experience, would you believe without proof? What would lead you to do that?

 

i was using the word proof isnted of typing out objective evidnce
My proof is the way I feel

 

Feeling is your proof? But, what if I feel that is not true. Would my "proof" be just as good? Or if you friend feels something contradictory to what you feel, is that equal proof as well?

 

Yes, very well could be. I don't know the "ultimate" truth so my "truth" very well could be the lie and my friend's "turth" is really the "truth".

 

Does their have to be an "ultimate truth"? Why not "truths"? How will you know?

 

the ultimate truth? Knowing if there are "truths" or just one "truth". When will i know? Probley the last place i look

 

Well, how do you assess what you know and act upon now?

 

Why do I feel like your interviewing me?
I'm to sure if this is the type of answer you are looking for but here ya go .
When I experince something I chew on it for awhile take everything into consideration compare and dissassemble *very objectivly mind you * and after i chew on it i'll evnetully swallow it. It will either stick with me because it has a peice of my truth, or it goes through me and the what i chewed on I'm able to share with others and maybe it will stikc with them or go through them to the next person..I don't really know. That sounds alot my "mystical" then it realy is lol.

 

I think that is perfectly natural. Everyone does it. But, without reason (which implies some sort of evidence--not necessarily concrete), how do you operate? Relying "faith" (belief without evidence--or even contrary to evidence) seems irrational. Do you rely on the irrational more than the rational. And if so, why?

(Remember, I am the alien)

 

Define rational and irrational if in a sceintfic sense I don't see anything as rational because in our science we try to disprove what we've proven to advance ourselves, so our "rational" theories at the momenet will become "irrational" in a decade most likely. If you mean rational or irrational in a philosphical sense then it is the same as "good" and "evil" I have my standard of good which I belive came from my God, so I choose to live by it. My reasoning is that i can look at the world by objective evidence or personal experince. If i look at it objectivley its almost assured that my life will be pestimistic to an extent and I will eventully waste away into nothing so my life here was meaningless. If i look at it by subecjtive experince like I do. I'll most likely have an optimistic outlook on life and can experince Love a diffrent way, a type of Love that isn't expelained away by chemicals. For example. For about 2 or 3 years I was very depressed,sucidal, and self inflicted injuries.and I spoke out against god and blamed him, I knew he existed but i also "knew" i was going to go to hell for what ever baised reason god had against me. I had no will, reason, or want to really belive or care any more. During those 3 or so years I met a person that Loved me for who i was and stuck with me in the darkest of times. She cared for, me healed me, and gave me love when i was the last person who really wanted it. She drug herself down to my level in order to carry me back up. I got in arguments and fights with faimly memebers over being with her. so she carried me as far as she could, then this summer I asked more or less arrognatly to God for me to care again. so after a week or so of experinces I came to where i am now, hopefully to not stay here much longer but move on with my search and grow in it. So after all that long winded speech. Theres my rhyme and reason for my personal subejective experince

 

Science changes, of course, but it is because of rationality that it does. What is rational is what is we determine based on reason and/or logic.

No, I see rational as what I stated above. "good" and "evil" are just religious terminology that which humans see as beneficial or harmful.

Why do you believe "good" came from "God"? And why do you believe in this "God" in the first place?

But, if love is subjective and an affection in our emotions, it IS explained by chemicals (at least in the natural sense), that doesn't make it LESS valuable just because it isn't objective and originates with an Invisible Sky Daddy.

How did you KNOW these things? How did you come by this "knowledge"?

Sounds like you got control of yourself and psychologically overcame your problems (or ARE overCOMING them), but why credit a "God". Sounds like you and this person you love are the obvious people to thank.

 

Science changes, of course, but it is because of rationality that it does. What is rational is what is we determine based on reason and/or logic.

Very good point

No, I see rational as what I stated above. "good" and "evil" are just religious terminology that which humans see as beneficial or harmful.

you know us humans lol! Can't live with out some law

Why do you believe "good" came from "God"? And why do you believe in this "God" in the first place?

To be honest I really don't know why, because I didn't come from a relgious faimly at first. I just always belived in a God, just seemed reasonable to me. Much like not beliving in one seems resaonable for you to an extent.

But, if love is subjective and an affection in our emotions, it IS explained by chemicals (at least in the natural sense), that doesn't make it LESS valuable just because it isn't objective and originates with an Invisible Sky Daddy.

I think our bodies play little part in love, so the chemicals the brain produces isn't what control love. I don't belive love is from something greater then chemicals and I must admit i dont' know where it comes from.

How did you KNOW these things? How did you come by this "knowledge"?

There again I'm not to sure why I came to that knowledge. Perhaps its the "evil" us humans live with?

Sounds like you got control of yourself and psychologically overcame your problems (or ARE overCOMING them), but why credit a "God". Sounds like you and this person you love are the obvious people to thank.

I belive that God saw my need and lead me to this person.

 

Again, why give credit to "God", when you don't even really know why you believe in "god"? I mean I know EXACTLY where you are coming from here. It was a painful process for me to realize that I couldn't really figure out WHY believed what I did.

After I got out of studying apologetics, and played the role of the "alien", it all became clear to me. I had to step outside the "box" of Christianity and take a look around. It took years for me.