Critique of the Judeo-Christian God

This is a thought that passed through today. It is merely based on an observation of possibilities, not athiesm or theism. It merely presents a valid argument that there is no valid argument for a God that is supposed to have the 'character', if you will, that is Biblically portrayed.

Some theists state that SOMETHING must come from something. The universe is moving, so who pushed the first domino? Sure, science answers questions about the movement of the universe, but not about why the universe has come into existence. Why is there anything? The explanation logically follows that there must be a creator. That which moves and manifests everything.

First, I would like to point out that although the argument is logical: where did everything come from? Why does anything exist? There must be a creator, a mover into existence. The very question they use is thus returned: Where did the Creator come from, if all things must come from other things? That motion must first have a mover? If God moved the Universe (Or Multiverse), then who moved God? They say God does not need a Creator, a Mover. That he is THE mover. They argue that God is timeless and thus has no beginning or end. Well, could this Universe also have the same law applied? Not that it gets us anywhere. God is still up in the air, no pun intended.

Now, the God of the Judeo-Christian perception is explained in the Bible. Good enough. They may believe as they will, however there is a problem with their current argument.

Intelligent Design . . . The universe must obviously have a creator due to its intricate complexity and purpose. (Take MrRee's taco shell for example, as shown in a former post).

That's as far as intelligent design should go. Afterwards its argument abandons reason. Since there MUST be a God due to ID of the universe, it MUST be the Biblical God. Yet, there is no actual scientific evidence to support that, even if their 'scientific' approach to Intelligent Design does indeed show some evidence for a designer. The rest is speculation and belief.

We are only capable of observing the manifestations of this 'mover', should there even be one. We can only see the 'moved', experience the creation. We are trapped within the a painting, its artist missing entirely from the picture. Maybe we'd have a hint if say, he left a signature in the bottom righthand corner somewhere. Thus, the speculation of a painter ends there. We don't know if God has a "Kingdom", that God has this or that, that God is ruling, judging.

If we were to assume that there is a God, we should not so much observe the dogma of religion as we should the universe itself. I am not just advocating science. I'm saying: To know the Painter is to understand the painting.

What do we see in this world? This universe? It is difficult to observe objectively (we really can't), but let's work with what we have. The world is full of things. There are sunny days and rainy days. There is war and peace. There is happiness and tragedy. There is consciousness, there is equilibrium (even if it isn't OUR equilibrium . . . Humanity is still learning about balance). There is evolution (Or dangit, if you don't believe that, there is micro-evolution at least. ADAPTING.). This brings us into science: The most startling discoveries are in quantum physics, but that's a whole discussion in itself. The point is: There is plenty of 'personality' written into this world about the painter, if indeed we have been painted. Having an original mover doesn't have to make it ONE particular mover. If you are going to believe in a God, at least take a good honest look at the work of art IT has done.

The design, the tone and hue and color, the depth and complexity of this painting, ourselves included, are all we are capable of observing. If you are going to state something about God, it must only come from what you are capable of seeing.


But perhaps that's the point? To walk away from what we can see, to imagine. Thus we mirror God: To learn the art of brush and canvas, paint our worlds and spiral into that indefinite, timeless world of creativity.

Who knows!

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(I say IT because, well, why would God have a sex organ? Hmm, are you going to say: Well, it's not the physical attributes of masculinity that God has, its the PERSONALITY! . . . Well, save it for another discussion.)

 

Really Good post, very interesting.

Me personally, I blieve there was some sort of creator involved in the creation of the earth to be able to sustain life, or at least some sort of intelligent "interference". There is some kind of zone I saw on a chart that shows the places where planets can have life based on which star. Science doesnt know as much as they think they do. Think about all the shit we have missed, the EXACT placement we are on the spiral arm so that we dont get huge doses of radiation, i think there was some intelligence involved in that, where it came from who knows? who cares? What matters is that we are here now.

I think the Universe is just eternal, it wasnt created, it didnt have a start and it wont have an end, its just constantly evolving. People shouldnt think of it as a room, its infinite, like a fractual, but part of being human is our limited finite brain... or at least right now its finite. Well then people say what about the red shift all the galaxies are moving away from each other, if they are all moving away from each other and earth, then how is Andromeda(I think its that one) supposed to clash into the Milky Way eventually? I am no scientist but I have studied on it a bit.

The universe is just there, its nothing and everything, and I dont think it even really matters in the long run. Just live life and love because in the end... everything you do is just everything you've done.

 

it is kind of eerie to think that the universe could just be there for no reason at all

 

Just to offer the opposing view ...

Me personally, I believe that the universe arose for no apparent purpose and with no apparent reason. I feel that this fact alone makes the universe that much more beautiful and magickal; that meaning and purpose, as we creatures of the universe determine, can arise from something without meaning or purpose, it kind of blows my mind with awe and inspires me.

Or perhaps was that the intent? To draw forth meaning and purpose from chaos?

 

Maybe the painter is the painting, like the dreamer is the dream.

 

Maybe is abundantly obvious that there is a God and that its clear to those who sincerely seek after God that He left a Manual.
Time after Time the God will lead you to that manual and upon closer (or sincere) inspection it will become increasingly obvious that it is indeed Gods manual.

Hows that sound?

 

I like that.

We are probably just a dream someone is having.



I've always thought... maybe each atom is a universe, because they are infinitely small, but they dont have much mass they are mostly just open space. Its because they are a universe!

I wonder what atom we are if that is true... maybe we are a carbon atom on someones feces...

 

it sounds to me like youre asking us to see God in things and then it will be clear there is a God. Like, you get a promotion and you thank God, or youre happy one day and you thank God, but since i can find just as much joy in my life wihtout believing in your god, how am i to believe you? How do you know your good fortune comes form God? It doesnt even make sense. Theres no reason to believe that youre better off "reading Gods manual" than not.

 

Perhaps it is our own desire for things that bring them forth into our lives. In other words, reality twists and turns according to our perspective, and our BELIEF in that perspective(AKA Faith). One must take a leap of faith for anything, it seems. A Buddhist may see Buddha, a Christian may see Jesus, or an Angel. What does this imply? That the creation is the manifestation of the creator's intent? Who knows. Only more questions are raised! Yet another aspect of this cosmic experience is revealed: Reality is in the eye of the beholder. So it seems, so it seems . . .

Another thought passed through today: Everything is energy, vibrating, exchanging, harmonizing as if some universal song, with single notes and chords, with pleasant tunes and dissonant ones. This seems to have some nature to the relevance of the cosmos. Interconnection. Makes one wonder: Is this consciousness? A particular harmony and rhythm, beat and measure: a unique melody in a grand symphony?

Is art and music 'written into' the cosmos, much like math and science may be? Too many questions and such great possibilities. All we can do is explore with mind, with reason, with soul.