Free speech vs. Religious taboos.

Poll:
Should my government apology that an independent paper brought 12 (imo harmless) sketches of Mohammed the holy prophet?

Also consider if the paper (Jyllands-Posten) should apology, please...

 

Well, you have one of two choices.

Either you can allow your life to be dictated by Islam or

you can round up and remove all of them before someone gets killed.

There's folks carrying placards saying "BEHEAD ALL ENEMIES OF ISLAM"

Either you like your free speech and will fight for it, or you will bow to the will of others and lose it forever.

 

Of course you shouldn't fucking apologize, Muslims take liberties because of soft touches like the governments who do apologize for crap like this.
IronGoth is right they are trying to control us on our own fucking turf, and I don't like it. We need a bit of pride people. If you do apologize for this shit they will take more and more liberties till we are all under Islamic rule. You can't try to reason with people that say "BEHEAD ALL ENEMIES OF ISLAM" you need to kick their arse out of the country instead!
As for Jyllands-Posten apologizing I would have said yes, till I saw all the flag burning and disgusting placards displayed all around the world, (some on our own doorstep). Idiots like that don't deserve an apology. Please Denmark, have some heart and DON'T APOLOGIZE for freedom of speech!

 

Thanks for replies. I can just agree that we should not apology.

I respect all danish moslem citizens for them religion. With that, I mean: Any moslem shall have the right to build mosques and worship whatever they want, just like all christians, buddhists and hindues, and Hare Krishna does in this country. That's just fine with me!

But it's a secular society, and all believers must know that's the conditions here. I'd wish that moslems wouldn't feel paranoid when I say so... It has not just something to do with Islam. I'm just worried that if/when the moment our government and/or Jyllands-Posten will beg on their knees for apologies, what's next?
Shall we forbid Salman Rushdies "The Satanic Verses"? Shall Monty Python apology that they made "Life of Brian"? (In case some fundamentalist backward christians will also threat us with bombs & terror)?

Will some braindead priest, christian/moslem (I don't give a fuck which religion) forbid me to be listening to John Lennon singing:

"Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today..." -?

This is not a matter of hunting moslems. There has been a horrible hatred in Denmark towards moslems living here, and my government is responsible for that.
But this case is different since these days angry masses in the middle-east don't know a fuck about danish domestic politics. In a country like Saudi-Arabia, for instance, they're simply not allowed to know such things. They're just allowed to protest against these evil people from Denmark/Norway/Sweden (doesn't seem very important to them, actually knowing the difference between these three scandinavian countries, that just prove that those demonstrations are steered from the political top).

Apology? No way.

Hallelujah.

 

Hey Wolf at door, are there many Muslims in Denmark? Just curious?

 

I think they're about 5-7% of the population. And most of them are really good people, since they're actually political refugees from some of these regimes, forcing the masses out on street to protest for anything in benefit for the regime - in this case - against Denmark.

I can assure you that most moslems in Denmark want a peaceful solution to this crisis. Many danish moslems are also critical towards the sketches, but that's their fucking right in a democracy. The only problem is the dictatorships in the middle-east, that tell people to love its self-constructed interpretation of Islam, and to hate anything that does not fits with them fascist views.
No problem with ordinary moslem in Europe with the possibility to speak free. Most european moslems want dialogue.

love and understanding,
-wolf.

 

Thanks for that . The problem I have noticed is that when their numbers grow, they become more fanatical and although they seem peaceful now, I think it will change when there's more of them. I've found them to be very crafty like that, after all we all remember what happened in France recently.

 

I think there are some imams ready to spread a really backward version of Islam in Europe. And yes, unfortunately I think many young male moslems (especially those living in ghettos with no jobs, no future) need to resist against the society that way, coz that's the only way they can get rid with their frustrations. They can be gangstas or they can listen to some insane long-bearded imam praising terror. That's the two possibilities they got. That's a social problem, rather than a religious/cultural problem.

I don't think it's right to hunt all the young moslems and arab teens living in the suburbs of european cities, since the recent development. Let's focus upon what some of the most powerful & conservative imams are praising every single friday all over Europe instead.

love and understanding,
wolf.

 

"Monty Ponty" - well that's what I call a major typo!
(now edited - soon as I recognized it!!).

 

i think that these things coming from europe are racist and it will just bring us closer to world war 3.

 

I don't see any reason to apology for a cartoon, but I think we, all of us, should watch out for such things coz those extremist couldn't always find it "funny"...

 

That's easy for you to say, Canada is not threatened. It's easy for somebody from a neutral country to sit there in the comfort and safety of your home and say that we are so wrong and we are so racist. The fact of the matter is, I haven't got a racist bone in my body, and believe it or not my ex girlfriend and best friend of the last 10 years is Muslim.
But if you read what I wrote CAREFULLY, you'll realize that it's all understandable and rational. It's like I say how can you reason with banners and placards that say "Didn't 9/11 teach you anything" and "Europe will pay Bin Ladens way" and "Behead all enemies of Islam". BlueFlower I'm sorry to say, but you need to wake up and see the bigger picture. They are killing us on our own doorsteps (The Madrid bombings, 9/11, 7/7 London bombings, the beheading of innocent westeners in Iraq, the numerous embassy bombings, and now the obvious consequences from this, which will come).
It's politically correct people like you that tolerate this sort of behaviour, that (whether you want to believe it or not) Muslims ARE taking advantage of, and trust me, if you give them an inch they will take a mile. Haven't you heard Muslim fanatics talk of a one Muslim nation, I promise you they want to take over the world, and tolerance and apologies will give them more power to do this over time.
I'm not a racist, but I am patriotic and proud of where I come from. I don't want people from other continents coming here and protesting and threatening violence and DEATH against me and the people I love in my own city of London. BlueFlower, please think before you post. I have love for all people, but you have to be stupid to not be angry at Muslims over this and other atrocities. I don't believe in violence but what else can you do when you are dealing with such pig headed, irrational people that you're getting nowhere with diplomatically. WW3 is going to happen but we arn't the ones who will start it, and infact we've done everything up to now to avoid it.

With love and respect.

 

its not about who should/should not apologise. what y'all seem to be missin out on is the effects of such acts. freedom of expression doesn't mean we blurt all thats on our minds ..do you not exercise self-censorship at your offices, schools, home with colleagues, family, friends! course you do, in the name of diplomacy, not hurtin people's feelins or if sayin somethin might get you involved in office-politics or the like. else you can feel free to slap across someone's face ..bcoz that's exactly what we do when we don't respect boundaries

if freedom of expression allows you to do whats necessary includin hurtin someone's feelins ..what stops them for expressin their thoughts - which you may not find very amusin!

i would also question the timin of these publishins, particularly in light of your own comment

apart from what the muslims have been goin through in recent years with the hijab issue and the peacefuls worldwide havin to defend their religion, their stance, their thoughts, their rights and how they donot represent the actions of a supposed few!

you may choose to think of this as unimportant, funny et al. but do consider the long term effects of these acts which essentially dictates more divide amongst peoples ..if THAT is somethin you wish and hope for, by all means ..make this about an "insignificant" apology

OR let's promote that one freedom ..without boundaries in which all peoples can come together and respect each other's existence and values

 

all i read in this and plenty other posts is the promotion of us versus them

is this the future we want to choose for ourselves, the next generation ...?

 

With all due respect, they're making it us against them and I have explained why. I've just been watching the news and the protests of violence and death against westeners is gathering momentum.

 

can we go back past the 5 years and see what the europeans have done to the arabs/muslims ? whether it be the italians, germans, french or the british crown and their imperialistic agenda the mideasterners and much of the world faced ..followed by the support to dictators that continue to rule much of their previous colonies

like i said, the us versus them can never stop, there'll always be a boogieman - american, european or mideastern ...christian, jew or muslim

its time we stopped, used our intelligence to bring humanity closer which'll bring about peace, stability, respect and unity

 

You have a very nice solution there, but we've tried using our intelligence and diplomacy and it's getting us nowhere. I'd honestly love for us to work things out diplomatically but I'm very sceptical about that because I believe they are irrational and are incapable of accepting our way of life. I want peace as much as the next man.
Btw, Stoney69 have you seen the placards displaying the disgusting threats to us? If you have I'm surprised you're not as angry as me.

 

You are absolutely right about this, but in this day and age we are much more civilized and peaceful. They are obviously still living in the dark ages which is why they bomb you for saying the wrong thing.
We help Muslims out when they have earthquakes and Tsunamis, that should tell them our heart is in the right place, but the Muslim fanatics don't want to see that. They want to disobey gods ten commandments by murdering in his name. They are fucking hypocrites.

 

I don't think anyone should apologise.

 

civilized, peaceful ? lets be a bit more realistic anaconda. the current atmosphere brings back memories of the not-so-distant-past. who's bombed whom for sayin the wrong thing ?

and it does, unfortunately our politicians and their policies become our representations! havin said that, the muslim way of life calls for charity as one of the fundamental principles ..and i've seen muslims/arabs linin up to donate their blood, money et al for the katrina, 7/7, 9/11. tsunami was not a muslim disaster ..but didnt we see the true face of humanity when we all came together! can't we keep followin this trail ?

why then do we penalise the billion plus over the actions of a few ? fanatics are no representation of the muslims or their religion. it is important for us to recognise these few and round'em up ..rather than generalise and promote hate towards the peaceful