ya I wanted to discuss a bit about some shit thats been bothering me lately. I still hear alot of shit from stupid people/little kids when they argue calling germans Nazis cuz they killed jews. But at the same time Ukrainians say the same thing, but nobody ever looks towards palastine where kids are brought up to shoot jews and hate them.... I have a jewish friend that always brings up how Im german n all , haha so I tell him to stfu or I send him to a camp n he always thinks Im half serious lmfao. But seriously its been like 55 years since somebody figured that shit out you think people would actually shut the hell up about it and move to something else? Like Fidel Castro torturing American Soldiers or Irans involvement with nucleur engineering lately. Or how if you are caught with like any drug in thialand you could be executed....or how white people are hated half way across the world and it isnt even safe for them to walk threw fuckin jamaica anymore cuz you gotta watch yourself and where you wonder off too. Not to pick on one certain country cuz I personally think it would be a beautiful country to visit too. But anyways you know what im tryin to say right??
Yes Right On But the whole Nazi/German/Jew thing is kinda insane. And dont forget 9/11. Everyone has their own twisted way of running something.
I'm Jewish and don't have anything against Germans. An ex boyfriend of mine even had a grandfather who was in the Nazi army. People's heritage, while important, means nothing in terms of past events. You can't help who your family was or where they're from.
Well, its been a little over 60 years since the end of WWII, considering other conficts in Europe, 60 years isn't that long of time. The Protestants and Catholics have been killing each other for 300 years in Nothern Ireland, some in the Arab world still talk of the Crusades as if it ended only recently. I'm sure there are other localized irratations lasting over a thousand years. Personally I tend to think when some groups of people have an agenda who never allow history to be place in its proper context (in the past). The agenda usually involves the control of power, or more to the point, the control of the treasurey. Other times the ancient wrongs is used to rally pulbic sentiment to their cause. By refering to the Crusades, some Arabs are trying to convince their populations the occupation of Iraq, Afaganistan, bases in Saudi Arabia (now removed) is the most recent invasion, attempting to destroy Islam by the Western world: the 4th Crusade. It keeps them in power (or influencial) by designating a powerful enemy which must be defeated at all costs. However these possibley flawed explanations doesn't seem to explain your Jewish friend. A more reasonable explanation is he's jerking your chain. Jerk back. Convince him he should buy a Volkswagen.
I agree with Clover... I mean, on one side of my family I have slave owners in Trinidad, and on the other I have a great uncle who was in a nazi labour camp for being a communist. And then there's the catholic english bit, and the protestant irish bit, and that seems like I've got it mixed up. The list goes on, consciencous objectors, people who died in WWII... well, I can't think of anymore but you get my drift. Anyway, I don't hide any of this, good or bad, cause it's damn interesting, to me, and it does nothing to influence who I am. It's just history. Like this section of the forum. As for the Germans, my gran spent six months there in 1938, and she'd get random people coming up to her, complaining about Hitler, because she was a foreigner and they were sure she wouldn't get them in trouble. Oh yeah, the Catholic/Protestant thing in Northern Ireland is a little more complicated than that.
you know what - i have wondered exactly where hitler got his money from to build his war machine and concentration camps? does anyone know? does anyone know exactly which banks gave him this money? the results might teach us alot.
right, tell me again ..who are the occupiers ? and i suppose palestinians also get the right to hate germans coz israel wouldnt have been created if not for the nazis!
yes, but again, I am not pointing a finger, it was an example dude. Im not racist and Ive never had a problem having a good conversation with other races including palestinian.
i dont think i called you a racist ..and when you say what you've said about palestinians, it doesnt come off as an example unless you mention 'hypothetically speakin' coz it aint factual!
actually, the palestinian situation is the Brits' fault. They trucked in Arabs from the region in an attempt to pressure Jews out of coming to Israel (then the Palestine) post WWII. I'm all for a two state solution, with the neighboring nations also contributing land and infrastructure.
Guy....I think you know, and you just want people to find out for themselves. It's plainly documented who funded Hitler. You know...but little tid-bits like that won't get people searching...you might just have to come out and say it. And anyway, History is a crock, I'm gonna make my own post about it right now.
hmm palestine... well i suppose before the brits got there very few people lived there, must have been devoid of any civillisation/ "terra nullis". you know this was the kind of excuse the brits had for australia, you know the rest. its difficult to have a discussion on the palestine "issue" because religion clouds it. my advice if you want to know about palestine and whats going on there - go there, first hand experience is invaluable, trust me.
ARRRGGGHHHH!! Not the palestine/isreal thing! My friend's dad is isreali, and she just can't get over the "poor jews" thing, and the fact that there are some (most?) israelis that are against the bad things israel does matter, whereas the fact that most palestinians don't agree with the bad stuff palestinians have done doest. And then she makes me feel anti-israeli, and pro-naughty-palestinians, and then I get confused, and I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK! A-hem Yep.
The Historian David Irving has been jailed for 3 years in Austria for stating that the Holocaust did not take place. The Austrians warned him that he would face prosecution if he returned to Austria to lecture.Even though I feel that the prison sentence is a little harsh, David Irving was given full warning beforehand,that Austria would not tolerate his falsification of historical facts.
god, i hate it when people do that. "OH your german so you hate jews" it wasnt the germans that killed the jews. it was the nazis. and there are plenty in america. so they could say "americans hate jews"\ fucking idiots doing that need to get their facts straight
um, the nazi's were overwhelmingly supported by the german people. However, people born after ww2 did nothing wrong.
but it still wasnt the germans that did it. some germans were part of the massacre. but it wasnt the german people. it was the nazi party
that's foolish. How about we reduce it even further "it wasn't the nazi party, it was the people who ran the concentration camps."
no, all im saying is you cant group an entiore group of people into a catagory that most had nothing to do with. would you say "Middle easterns hate americans". if you did that would be dumb to say because only the minority of extremist terrorists hate us. they are just the loudest. if all the republicans all of a suddon went on a "lets kill buddhists" rampage and you were a democrat would you want people saying "americans hate buddhists"? no you wouldnt want people to say that because you are an american and know many americans that had nothing to do with it
no 1 mention that jews before the roman empire kick theyr ass = they had a king+army and they did invade ,kill and pillage villages and cities.
