Stronger Pot May Make Refer Madness Real, U.S. Fears

You keep citing that we're not doing anything but blaming Bush for the problems. Who else do we have to blame? It's not like we, as 15 year-olds, have the right to vote. We don't decide the policies that are established. Bush is our president, and Bush is responsible for the well-being of this country. While marijuana is illegal, I think that's not for the best good. Who do I blame? Bush. Why? Because it's his responsibility. If I could I would gladly vote my ass off and lobby for its legalization, but I can't as of now.

I do agree with you that a lot of teens have the wrong impression about things. Simply thinking that Bush is an evil conspirator. I guess that's the only good thing about us not being able to vote, though.

 

I have real issue with you blasting off at people who just want to get their opinons out there. Whether they are wrong or right is not the point! Did anyone in their responses claim that they KNOW IT ALL! And of course the fact that you studied psychology in HIGH SCHOOL and ur what 34 now really makes you and authority on the effects on the brain. GET OVER URSELF!!!!

Then you say where are all the adults on this bored...well if ur considering urself an adult ur dead wrong. Calling people pathetic and calling peoples comments, "rhetorical bullshit," really makes you mature and "ADULT"! IF u were an adult u would inform and enlighten others with not bash and hate on others. Ur intolerance is just as bad as peoples ignorance! I came into these forums b/c i felt people would expand my knowledge, and share the same love and respect I have for people and this world. Well I guess I can't count on you for either. Its a shame really.

And U know what u really should stop smoking, u don't even deserve the privledge! We don't WANT u to be associated with us anyways and I'm sure most never have.

Lastly pull that HUGE stick out of ur ass, b/c maybe it would make u less of a flamming bitch!

 

Well said Dusty Star!


In respect of the politics of it all i'm British and therefore do not know the ins and outs of the American political history when it comes to MJ, therefore i'm not getting involved in that aspect of things.

Riff-iz-me, you say you remember ur opinions from when you were younger but you were wrong, thats the fucking point!! You have since taken your life path and learned things along the way, causing you to form opinions on everything, from what food you like to which political or religious body you follow or believe.
No-one has the right to say who is right or wrong on any given matter, certainly not on the subject of weed which is surely one of the mostly hotly debated social activities ever, and theres also a good chance that there is no definitive right or wrong answer.

I can only imagine what your own self perception is and how that compares to how others perceive you, I suspect there could be a fairly vast gulf!
And whilst i'm sure your response would be a macho 'don't care what anyone thinks' which is fine, i'm sure when you look in the mirror, deep down you know the score. It seems you have set out to deliberately upset people with your posts on this thread, and theres basically no need, its just not the way it should be, especially not for us pot smokers, its not the done thing, and i think maybe I speak for a few others in saying this.

 

rory,
thanx for the support. You seem to get it, and as long as there are others that get it then it gives me hope that these forums are still full of gr-8 people, with open minds and have hearts full of love and compassion! These forums are for people who wannah be enlightened and get turned on by others, not get bashed by people like Riff-iz-me. I'm sure there are others that agree! Its all about sharing the knowledge..and being tolerant.
I wish u GOOD KARMA!

 

Excuse me know it all..... Clinton didn't pass the fucking Patriot Acts. Clinton didn't enact bills that are in direct contradiction of the Constitution, although some of his policies were highly questionable. Clinton didn't have a drug czar that was busy jailing people who make and ship bongs instead of taking care of the real dangers with drugs. Your boy Bush was never truly elected. Funny how the only state that fucked up the votes is the state Bush's brother is politically active in!!!!! I knew you were a Republican.

I am not an idiot and Clinton wasn't always a great President. I didn't necessarily agree with all of what Clinton did, but he's not the current President that is tearing this country apart. I will tell you this, when Clinton was President, young men and women weren't dying in a country that we should not be involving ourselves in. The economy was as it's best in YEARS. As soon as the Republicans came in, it all went to SHIT!!!!!! Do you really think that with both Patriot Acts and this bullshit Homeland Security that we are really a free nation? Bush=WAR. Bush senior was incapable of doing anything and his son is even worse. The fact that you are a conservative Christian says it all to me. YOU MY FRIEND are the one that came in here acting as if YOU were the only one with intelligent opinions. So like a few others said, get over yourself. Remeber that little scam Ronald Regan was pulling with the Iran/Contra's? Another fine republican in office for ya'.

"God forbid we actually enforce our sovereignty by not asking the world's permission to deal with those factions that threaten the American way of life." RIFFIZME

Funny how other countries that don't try to monopolize the Middle East oil supply and police the rest of the world aren't being attacked like we are. We are the bullies of the world. Do you even remember why we went to war in 1776? I do,to separate ourselves from a tyrannical and unreasonable government. We have now become that tyrannical and unreasonable government.

I guess you forget that our government put every American is harm's way by GIVING Bin Laden money, arms, an American college education, and military training. Our Government has been in bed with Bin Laden and his people for long time. Conservative Republicans try to down play that. For God's sake, we trained them how to attack us. If it wasn't for the oil fields and greedy fucking (republican) politicians, we wouldn't be in this mess. Remember that your boy Bush has yet to be able to provide ANY proof that we should have invaded Iraq. Yes, taking Hussein out of power will be good for the people there, but now that that has been accomplished.................it's time to LEAVE. Bin Laden isn't hiding in Iraq.

No one here is anti-government genius. I guess we are anti-government because we are tired of having a donkey's asshole as President and being a target for every crazy ass terrorist that feels the need to harm us? I'm sure you would be acting differently if Bush's lack of ability has impended upon you in some way. If you truly think we are a free nation, my conversation with you is over. The next time you are praying, ask for clarity, tolerance, and serenity.

 

The problem is now that we're there, we can't leave. All hell would break loose if we did.

 

Hey, I'm half your age (no disrespect or nething... I'm not saying it in a negative way to imply that you are old or anything like that), but I agree with a lot of the shit you are saying and you make some valid points, and I too got the point of that article even though I think a few things were still bullshit.

If the government did legalize pot I do think there should be some age restrictions as you said... maybe 18 and over. Not to say that if they did that right now I wouldn't still smoke pot anyway because I definitly would.

And I'm not a scientist but I would assume that using pot at TOO YOUNG of an age, (12 or 13 maybe) might affect your brain in stages of development. It's just like how smoking cigs young will stunt your growth.

But a lot of the stuff in that article was bullshit and you have to realize that. How terrible would it be if, in the process of trying to get weed off of the streets, the gov. took funding away from trying to crack down on cocaine and heroin?

And while I think some of your points are valid, I think the way you went about expressing them is bullshit. To talk down on an internet forum to a bunch of opinionated kids is just fucking rediculous.

The people that post here are good people and they have good opinions and intentions and you totally degraded every single person under 18 that posts here.

I think this is just another example of a so-called grown man using the net to act like a child and bad mouth people he'll most likely never meet.

 

hey parents, old hippies, you know, you're kids have been smoking marijuana. now, i know you all smoked when you were teenagers, but the weed today is dangerous. in fact, it may even be more dangerous than cocaine or heroin! so dont worry about being a hipocrite, you've got to save their lives! the only solution to this epidemic is harsher penalties for users and forcing your children into rehabilitation. they need treatment!

 

GODAMMIT CONSERVATIVE AMERICANS PISS ME OFF, THEY ARE SO STUPID!! PATRIOTISM + FUNDAMENTALISM = DUMB SOUTHERNER WHO SHOULD DIE BECAUSE HE IS SO RIGHT WING!


sorry i had to get that out. and dont dare be stupid and say 'im not a southerner' if you are a conservative american it would onyl add to my point.

 

Southerner? Actually I live in and was raised in Indiana. And for those who think I just came in here blasting people, I posted several times in very reasonable and polite ways but because I don't think the whole government is out to get us my posts don't fit in here and my opinions were discredited. You say that I am intolerant and opinionated and I say that I am just conforming to the rest of the posts on this board. If I were criticizing Bush and the government my posts would be okay with everybody but because I believe that rampant liberalism has destroyed this country, I am just written off as a right wing Republican who deserves to die. (nice attitude). Instead of being a parrot of mass media and just saying Bush stole the election and is just trying to get the oil, try forming a coherent argument and giving the leaders of this country the same courtesy you would want if YOU were on trial. Innocent until PROVEN guilty. CNN and Fahrenheit 9/11 are NOT the epicenters of truth as deemed so by most liberals. You complain about teh Patriot Act and I too can see problems with it. BUT, what other ideas for defending this country do you have? We wouldn't even have the Patriot Act if we had been more selective about who crossed our borders in the past. But because of bleeding heart liberal policies that let anyone and everyone enter the USA both legally and illegally we were attacked and thousand of Americans died. We need to get illegals out of teh country and then we can repeal teh Patriot Act. BTW, how many significant terrorist attacks have happened in teh USA since 9/11 and the Patriot Act? NONE!!! Maybe when they kill your parents and friends you will see the need for tighter scrutiny of certain sects of our society. Good luck. United We Stand, Divided We Fall...and fall we have.

 

dont you understand though that the political stance of this and most of tehse hip forums is liberal, since the very topics of these boards are largely against right wing views. You cant expect your nazi views to be taken kindly around here. jsut like if there was a right wing based baord with wahtever boring ass things conservatives spend their lives doing, the dominating political view doesnt take kindly to the opposite. If i went to 'gun-owning yuppie forum' then im sure id see them tlaking about a bunch of thigns like 'why shouldnt racism be legal' and if a left winger went in there hed be shot down by poeple jsut like you, so stop your dumb winging caus the majority of people here wouldnt give the skid marks in their s-bends.

blargh.

 

Riff, you came in blasting people from the very beginning, and you expect that to go well recieved? With all your years of wisdom you should at least have more common sense to know that when you fire at someone else you're going to catch heat yourself.

This whole conservative vs. liberal thing has gotten a bit pathetic and asinine, though. Riff, you should at least admit that Bush is not that great of a president, and everyone should stop generalizing people into different groups.

I mean, how often is there a conservative sterotype that smokes pot? Obviously you guys have the wrong ideas, and just attacking one's characters based on which political party they prefer is childish.

 

Actually, I never said Bush was a great President or even a good one. I originally came into this forum to read about weed and grow tips and stuff like that. I just got tired of hearing every kid who wants to smoke pot saying that George Bush is the reason they can't. After that it escalated because obviously MY opinions are worthless in the ever tolerant and understanding hippie forums. I actually enjoy most aspects of the hippie culture. What I don't enjoy is the mindless adherence to the left regardless of what the left is doing as long as it is against the right and specifically George Bush. And even more so, the hypocrisy of most of these people in that their opinions are valid and should be taken at face value while mine are not solely because they disagree regardless of what science and/or history has proven or disproven.

And just to set the record straight. I support traditional family values BUT I don't feel I have the right to insist that you do. I don't agree with the gay lifestyle BUT I believe it is your right under God to live as you decide and without being harassed for it. I am against abortion in all forms and definitions BUT I believe that you have the right to your opinion as well as I do. I believe the war in Iraq was a good move by America for ANY reason (thousands of execution style gravesites agree). I believe teh world is a bit mpore complex than just oil barons invading countries for the black gold. I am NOT a conspiracy theorist but I do acknowledge that there are corrupt politicians who need to be dealt with. I believe in the electoral process as it was written by our forefathers and that means that Bush WAS elected regardless of liberal rhetoric and I also believe that had the situation been reversed it would have been the right wing idiots instead of the left wing idiots screaming about the process. I am not a racist although I grew up in suburban America where whites were prominent. I prefer to give jobs and credit to people based on merit not skin color. Affirmative action is just racism under a different group of tyrannical bastards.

So now that I have said all of that, I HOPE that you will see that I am NOT the right wing radical Christian fundamentalist that I have apparently been deemed by the loving souls on this board. I simply believe that life cannot be understood by reading snippits on a forum board and listening to NPR during CNN commercial breaks. And Michael Moore is teh biggest enemy this coutry has other than Bin Laden. NOT because he disagrees with MY views but because he only presents one side of the story and claims it is an unbiased documentary representation of the truth. (Even though he is admittedly just a filmmaker seeking to make his fortune.)

 

I agree about Michael Moore. I'm still very digusted with what he did with Bowling For Columbine. Many people don't know that many of his "facts" in that movie are so skewed it's really unbelieveable. *Leftwing Joke*It makes Bush look like a boyscout*Leftwing*

Anyway, I think everyone here just met you under the wrong terms. Hopefully we'll all be able to put differences aside.

I see where you're coming from when you get angry with everyone just blaming everything on ridiculous conspiracy theories, but you have to sit and think for a minute about what was Bush's real motive for the war in Iraq. I mean, first it was WMD's, we didn't find any of those, and then it switched to liberating Iraq. I'd much rather believe that he has some hidden agenda than to think he's just a bumbling idiot who messed up. He is leading our country afterall.

And with weed, well, it's not so much a conspiracy as a pretty obvious fact that most organizations that control whether marijuana is legal or not make money off it being illegal. I don't think that's the real reason it's illegal, though. It has more to do with the fact that everyone thinks that because they make money off it, that there's no way for it to become legal. When a 15 year-old reaches that conclussion, they don't consider voting, because at that point they can't vote. It's just not something the would take into consideration without thinking about it.

 

Riff, you've come good! Whilst I don't necessarily agree wwith all your views, I now have a new found respect for you that had previously been lost.


Compare the phrasing and tone of your last post and compare that to your earlier posts and you'll see a resounding difference. Its as if a totally differeent person has logged on, I can only only assume your writing style varies dependant upon your mood?

Its impossible to say the above without sounding condscending but I assure you thats not the intention, it is in fact a compliment. I think had your original views on the original thread matter been posted in this way, whilst people would have debated the issues and your opinions on those issues, I dont think they would have has as much of a problem with you as a person.

Its a case of 'not what you say but the way you say it' in my view.

Just my opinion man, easy.

 

I even agree with some of what he had to say. I think political correctness has weakened this country. I also agree that if we would have tighter immigration laws, like other countries, we wouldn't have to worry so much. I do agree with some of what Riff has to say, but most of it is the same political rhetoric that he says we spout.

 

I'm well aware of all the causes and effects of cannabis.


Our government is in the worst condition it has been since.... hell... for a long long fucking time. The 60's maybe?

We have the most protested administration ever in the whitehouse now, otherwise known as the loony bin. Although I think a crazy person could hurd that cattle better than Mr. W.

Anyone in Canada want a roommate? That country has it together a bit more than the US.

 

"try forming a coherent argument"... Riff

I did. Just because YOU don't agree with it doesn't mean it's not coherent. Look at it logically... Would we give a shit about the middle east if there was NO oil? Probably not. Republicans like to make simple issues complex. Liberalism hasn't destroyed this country, Republican's only giving a shit about the wealthier % of the American public has. Michael Moore does stretch the truth sometimes, but 75% of the time he has a good point and THAT'S why republicans hate him. Even through his bullshit, he does bring out alot of interesting facts that the conservative right wing just doesn't want anyone to know.

No one said you deserved to die just because you are a republican Christian conservative (you made that up in your own mind). It is just common knowlegde that most people with your preference of politics and religion have PROVED to not give a shit about anyone that isn't exactly like them and you know that. I also agree that some liberal stances are fucking ridiculous, but I would vote for a democrat over a republican anyday. Republicans are too worried about having complete control of the people. Isn't that why we fought for our independence over 200 years ago? You never answered any of my questions like this except the ones Bashing your boy Bush. THAT is a VERY republican way of debating.

 

ON the first page, Im argeeing with TheJolta

 

how can republicans in any way argue that someone has stretched the truth. republican = stretching truth.


but anyway im tired and grumpy so ill go on to flame riff's constant patriotic remarks.
how can anyone be so patriotic too? i dont see how any intelligent person can uphold patriotic views wihtout seeing that patriotism is simply, in every manner and way, a tool to get citizens to fight for their country, and trust their govt. it serves no purpose other than that, and any normal person can see that america is not the best country in the world, even if it is the msot powerful, and people in other countries that do have better liiving standards dont act nearly as patriotic. anyone who seriosuly thinks that america is the land of the free and grateful is out of their mind. the righteous right wing response to this is 'you rjsut saying that because your not from america' well yeah, im bloody glad of that too, seeing as how the WHOLE WORLD looks down on the america. now i know lots of cool americans and very smart poeple come from there (or at least kind, humble people) but wow theyre all liberal, amazing huh. and anyway, i wont generalise all conservatives to be bad caus i know them not all to be so and i have quite a few right wing friends , BUT i will generealise all patriotic religious conservatives that way because ive never met, heard of, nor can i imagine one that deserves my respect of oppinion. at least those that use their beliefs in public forum (but that comes hand in hand with being part of one of these said groups).

i myself have some right wing views, but i know that for poeple to live in more happiness and living standard, hte world needs liberal, and none of this right wing crap that destroyed any respect america had during the 1950's.

and guysmiley, i did actually infer that poeple of this type i speak of deserve to die, of course only in an angry metaphorical state.

the topic of this thread pretty much is against the current american govt anyway, and all the authorities in teh article are essentially from waht i remember, conservative. maybe if they conserved some of their bullshit then the world would be a happier and peacful world.

im going to go find something that can get me out of this pissed off mood now.