Would Christ approve of Christian hate?

Well here we go again indeed! Just like the Golden Gate, only christians associate Fig trees with Isreal, because it is the only way christianity can deceitfully usurp authority through the Jewish OT. All of Israel has historically associated with "the true vine". No fig trees - grape orchards.
The generation the supposed jesus was talking about was the generation he was talking to! Who are you to say otherwise, and who are you to interpret in a way that subverts and replaces the true word with a human interpretional belief?
Christians need to twist and contort truth in such ways to cover the glaring truth that the supposed jesus prophecy has expired, and is therefore false. As is the religion.

 

Give me the best one that would support the Bible has an error.

 

Almost everytime in the OT the Fig Tree is mentioned it is referring to Israel and in the NT why did Jesus curse the the fig tree??

 

Well see? this is exactly what I'm talking about; Almost nothing in your post is biblical. almost everything you said is based on conjecture, speculation, and/or tradition;

Who told you it took Noah 120 years to build the Ark? There nothing anywhere in the bible that says anything about how long it took Noah to build the ark.

This is tradition/speculation.

Assumed? By whom? and why are you affording an assumption the same rank as the bible itself?

Whether or not it's logical isn't the point. the point is; is it biblical?

No, it is tradition that people mocked him. If we want to speculate we can just as easily say Noah lived out in the middle of nowhere and did his work in secret.

If he were the only righteous man on earth it could just as easily (and worthlessly) be assumed that he would want to seperate himself and his family from everyone else.

A fact based on what? Is it mentioned anywhere in the bible?

The only hint we get is in 2 Peter 2:5 where the author calls Noah "a preacher of righteousness".

To state with certainty that "Noah preached all his life" is pure speculation.

And then we have to wonder; since there's nothing in the torah to suggest Noah was a preacher where did Peter come by the information?

Most likely from tradition.

The tradition of Peter's time takes the story of Noah and stretches it by adding a few details that aern't in the torah and then christians down through the ages take Peter's statement and stretch it still further.

Human or not the point is it's still speculation. It's not biblical.

Speculation is natural but it's still just speculation.

Here's what I'm getting at; if you want to think the bible is the inerrant word of God, fine.

But if you're going to afford the same "inerrant word of God" status to your speculations and traditions why should anyone take you or your religion seriously.

And how can you object to the premis that the bible has been editted down through the years when we see christians such as yourself editing it in here all the time?

 

Why do you think Jesus Cursed the Fig tree and killed it, just before he cast the money changers out of the temple? Do you think He was just checking out His supernatural powers to see if they still worked? Why do you think Jesus killed the fig tree?

http://focusonjerusalem.com/israelandthefigtree.html

 

You really need to stop with the general statements. If you believe something is not correct in the Bible, please spell it out. And I believe those who ignore Gods Word, are often those who want to believe in a God in which they control the rules. Their morals are dictated by their own desires.
And if you believe a prophecy is wrong, tell us which one it is, and lets see who does the twisting.

 

If you understand anything about the prophecies of the Bible, you must know that often a prophecy will have two meanings. Part of the prophecy can be for two different events yet spoken in the same chapter. The prophecy of Tyre is just such a prophecy. The prophecy of Tyre is not a failed prophecy. It was not a fully fulfilled prophecy, and it is not a prophecy fully about Tyre proper. Read about Babylon in Jermiah chapters 50 and 51, and Revelation 18. Then tell me what Babylon those chapters are describing. The Bible is not big when it comes to proper names. That's why you will never find the name Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. The Bible uses names to describe Christ in the Old Testament, but it never even once uses His proper name. When the Bible describes nations, it sometimes uses other names that are more descriptive in order to describe that place. This is especially true when the place it is describing, has not even been discovered yet.

 

Gen 5:32 Noah was 500 years old.
Gen. 6:14 God told Noah to build the ark.
Gen. 7:6 Noah entered the ark when he was 600 years old.

The only thing I can say for sure, is the time it took to build the ark, was under 100 years.

 

so even the prophecies that appear to be fulfilled may never have been fulfilled at all, since we can't trust what's written; ie: maybe when the bible predicts the virgin birth, they weren't really talking about Mary or Jesus... they were using people's names to repressant future things... maybe the prophecy really was trying to predict the Catholic Church and the Pope?

the thing about prophecies is this, once a prophecy relies on symbolism instead of literal words used to write it, it's not a prophecy.

 

I'll agree that if you wish to have sex and not become pregnant, yet you don't take the necessary percautions and disease and/or pregnancy does result, then yes, that is a sign of irresponsibility! Everyone points out how rampant abortion has become in the US, but what they don't say is that while the worldwide abortion rate is significantly lower, the rate of sexual activity is just as high, maybe higher. This is likely because these people know what percautions to take to try to avoid abortion from happening in the first place.

FTR, In a perfect world, making abortion illegal once again might make the problem go away. However, we don't live in a perfect world. As much as I feel that we should do our best to avoid abortion from having to become an issue in the first place, you must realize that re-criminalizing it will not make the problem go away. We will only regress to the state that existed before the early '70s, and that's a state not worth revisiting! I remember the mother of one of my friends (heaven rest her soul) telling me horror stories of botched abortions when she was a hospital technician back in the '60s. Whenever you make any device or act illegal (e.g. drugs, gambling, guns, prostitution, alcohol, IMO abortion, etc.) all you do is make that activity go underground.

..And let's not forget that ther were efforts to manipulate the bible to make it mean something it does not! For example, the word fornication was a bad mistranslation of the word porneia, which means cultic priostitution. Again, e.g: Porneia as used in I Cor 6-9, falsely translated in some bibles as fornication was actually the practice of the prostitutes in the Temples of Corinth selling their services as a part of pagan fertility goddess worship which was what Paul was warning against. Not even specifically about prostitution but used as a pagan sexual goddess worship. From:http://www.libchrist.com/bible/immoral.html
You must understand that doctrine since the death of Jesus, church officials did their best to manipulate scripture not to promote spiritual integrity, but to promote a political agenda and to sell it as a spiritual one. This was definitely the case at the council of Nicea. Let's also remember that Romans elitists were a bit sex-phobic. Rather than post the entire link, I'll direct you here:
http://www.libchrist.com/bible/howsexsin.html

Let's remember, though, that AIDS was a disease caused by a vaccination program that went totally out of control during the late '70s. I believe that if you trace the genesis of many, if not most sexually transmitted diseases, you'll find that sex with animals was the case! Sheep were a common source of bestiality! Although I do believe that other unhealthy habits can contribute.

The Bible is a record book which tries to bring to light man's understanding of the Divine. It shows where mankind's shortcomings as well as where he was enlightened. In order to truly understand scriputure's true meaning you must understand the culture which prevailed during that period and the meaning of the language. To make the black and white statements above, you compromise your credibility! I have to agree with shaman_sun on this one! Let's also remember that Jesus could be vague on certain issues by answering a question by starting with "It is better..."

 

Look Every religion belives in right and wrong, but! They should find it wrong to push others around especially if GOD doesn't.

 

The Bible states that the natural man will not understand the things of the Spirit. Without God guiding us, the Bible is reduced to nonsense. Thats why God tells us that the Holy Spirit will teach us. Yet, if you donot have a relationship with God, you will be left without a teacher. I never understood the prophecies about America, yet one night I ask God if the Holy Spirit could show me these things? Almost a year later, He did. It came as a surprise to me, when I discovered afterwords, that the prophecies about America were also being revealed to other Christians at the same time. I was speaking with a Christian man who was working on my home cooling system at the time, and told Him what God had revealed to me about America. That's when he turned toward me and said, "That's funny that you should tell me this, because I was just getting out of bed the other day, when God revealed the very same thing to me." He stated, that this knowledge came to him as soon as his foot touch the floor. The God of the Bible often reveals to His people His intentions, shortly before He acts on them. Paul told us, that the preaching of the cross to them that perish is foolish to them, but to we that are alive and saved, it is the power of God. The reason ministers of the 1600's and 1800's knew that the jews would return to Israel, and retake Jerusalem near the end of time, is because they believed the Bible. The reason the Jews failed to imbrace Jesus Christ, was simply because they ignored the duel prophecy. The Jews wanted a powerful King that would drive the Romans out of their land, they did not want a man of sorrows who came to Jerusalem riding an ass. Yet, if they would of imbraced the prophecy, instead of their own desires, they would of understood who Jesus was. The Prophecies of the Bible are made plain to those who love and seek God. For those who have no room in their heart for the God of the Bible, the prophecies will forever remain a mystery to them. The prophecies of Babylon are the same. They are duel prophecies, that are for two different Babylons. This can be seen, because if you read the description, you will understand that it cannot be fully fulfilled by the ancient city. And when the Book of Revelation speaks of Babylon, it addresses her, as Mystery Babylon. Both the description, and her new title, indicates something much different than the orginal city.

 

At no time does the Bible speak of men being enlightened. It does tell us, that man is a sinful creature who is in need of salvation. And it clearly points out, that outside of Jesus Christ, spiritual salvation is not possible.
How Aids got here is not nearly as important as how it was spread, and if men and woman had lived the lives the Bible has encouraged us to, such spreading of this disease, would never of happened.
When someone tells me about a botch abortion, I hope you don't expect me to feel sorry for the mother. To me, any abortion is simply the work of two murders working together to kill a child. The Bible in the Old Testament adresses abortion, and I can assure you, abortion, is murder. And it was Christ who told us, that no murder, will enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus, was not vague on the fate of murders.

 

Well next time there is a person in a burning house I will remember not to "push" them out.

 

You might get approved by Visa or Master Card much earlier.

 

"..first take the beam out of your own eye, then you can see clearly to take the mote out of your brother's eye"

That's all enlightenment is.

so if a 15 year old girl who was molested by her step father goes to have an abortion because she has nowhere else to turn and winds up bleeding to death, you'll walk away feeling like she got what she deserved?
Twisted.

Matthew 5:20-21. says that anyone who's angry with his brother is guilty of murder.

so in other words if the doctor performing the abortion is going to hell, and you're pissed at him, looks like you'll be going with him.

 

GOD pushies us in the right direction as individuals towards a whole, But free will helps people to understand GOD's golry. So make your choices in right and wrong, just dont think that you can totally control others

 

Yeah I thought you might take that route, Campbell. Unfortunately, the bible doesn't support your position... it's quite clear on what constitutes both the prophets and their prophecies, and makes no mention of the most apologetic excuse immaginable, the "dual fulfillment" prophecy. Any time a prophecy prooves to be false, the only escape is to say that it simply hasn't happened yet, or (even better!) that the details actually signify something else... an excuse any religion/prophet/seer/wizard and everyday Joe like myself can use... it renders the prophecy meaningless.

21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.(DT 18:21-22)
There is no room for symbolism, and there is no excuse for changing the meanings of words in the prophecies. I realize you'll say that I'm not with the holy spirit so therefore, I don't understand that "how can we know" really means "how can christians infused with the holy spirit know," and "does not take place or come true" actually has an "in any symbolic form" tacked on the end. My rebuttal to that would be, how come so many "true christians" are in disagreement with you? How come they, endowed with the same holy spirit that you have, are interpretting the bible differently? Most importantly, why should anyone believe you over what the Bible actually says? Thinking that you know what God's inferred in between the lines seems to be just a wee bit blasphemous.

 

I don't think I have ever controlled anyone.... It is impossible to force someone to trully accept Christ. It is up to the person to trully accept Christ or not, no one or no thing can do that for them.

 

First of all somehow you believe that the only thing this girl can do to make this situation better is to kill her child. This shows me how far this generation has sunk to. You believe murder is better than a life saved, even when there are countless families that would love to have that child. Second, where did you ever get the idea I was pissed at the doctor. Here again you put words in my mouth. I feel sorry for the doctor, because I understand what the end result of his pratice will result in. The girl does not need to murder her child. Yet you believe the best thing for the girl is for the doctor to rip the child out of her, and flush it down the toilet. As if that is going to make things better. You have only compounded the problem. Now not only has the girl been molested, but she was involved in the murder of her child. That is what is twisted, and that is what you support.