Homosexuality and the forces of resurrection

thanks for the imput, althought i would disagree, even if you don't accept it, it can teach you so much
peacex

 

You can teach me a few sex tricks.

 

ahh thats sweet, but i probably can
peacex

 

see im irrevestible.

 

you are what?
peacex

 

[Quote brothwood]But apparently i must accept the literal impossible. i must accept that christians are quite elitist and are the few that will be the only ones who reach God. [/QUOTE]Dear members, I've been away for several day's and just checked your posts on the Forbidden Letters. The level is simply depressing. It is simply astonishing to see that people react on stuff they don't even understand. I've seen the Letters discussed on theological and gnostic forums too and people were simply mesmerized. Men like Philip Gardiner and Gary Osborn get hunderds of mails every year by people about the Grail. It is not for nothing that they chose these mails to be published on their Forum within 24 hours and that they were accepted immediately at world-mysteries.com, the perhaps finest site on eseoterica world-wide, and certainly the classiest. I decided to bring it to a gay Forum after I've read two posts by theologians who argued: the letters work like clock. We don't know whether it's true, but they work like a clock.

And know I can understand that this election thing (one doesn't reach God, God reaches you) is for the elite. Fancy, people like you, who should be masturbating, instead of reading , in heaven.

You won't believe me, but I didn't write that last sentence to offend you. What's more, the sentence isn't even offending you.

For it is amazing that I read about 30 posts who hardly even touch the Letters. Ask yourself: what on earth are you doing in this section of religion? Blabbing about God? You're wasting your time.

And I'm leaving this Forum now.

All the best to hipunk.

 

before you leave, could you clarify what any of this meant? i made absolutely no sense of it, i apologize if i am the only one. the quote of mine which you refer to actually was aimed at a seperate issue of christianity- the Bible.

and may i also ask you to clarify the whole reading in heaven thing, do you invision heaven as been the same as earth?
peacex

 

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Just camne back with two more statements on Kundalini (on the microcosmic sun in the coccyx) and on Set and his homosexual act (wikipedia)


"Kundalini is mainly associated with Indian religions like Ayyavazhi and Hinduism. However, Kundalini as a spiritual experience is thought to have parallels in many of the mystical and gnostic traditions of the world's great religions.
For example, the Sufi mystic Rumi wrote of it:
"You have the energy of the sun in you,
but keep knotting it up
at the base of your spine." - Rumi"
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Contestings of Horus and Set
After Lower Egypt and Upper Egypt, were unified, through the conquest of the lower half by the Upper, a representation of this conflict arose in mythology. Horus, who was the chief god of Upper Egypt, was depicted as having fought long and hard against Set in the struggle for the crown. It was said that in the struggle, Set's testicles were ripped off, explaining his infertility, as the desert, and one of Horus' eyes was partly gouged out, explaining why the moon was not as bright as the sun, since Horus, in this early form, was said to have the sun and the moon as his eyes. Ultimately, like the nations, the two gods were reconciled.
It was also said, during these contendings of Horus and Set, that Set had sought to support his claim to the throne by showing Horus was submissive to him, and consequently seduced Horus, with lines like How lovely your backside is. They had interfemoral intercourse, with Set taking the top role, but Horus secretly caught Set's semen, when he ejaculated, and throws it in the river.
Now afterward, (at) evening time, bed was prepared for them, and they both lay down. But during the night, Seth caused his phallus to become stiff and inserted it between Horus's thighs. Then Horus placed his hands between his thighs and received Seth's semen. Horus went to tell his mother Isis: "Help me, Isis, my mother, come and see what Seth has done to me."
Subsequently, Horus masturbates, and secretly places his resulting semen onto lettuce, Set's favorite food, and Set eats the semen unknowingly. To prove his dominance to the other gods, Set explains to them that Horus had submitted to his advances, and calls forth his semen as evidence, but it answers from the river. Horus then calls his own semen forth, which answers from inside Set, making the gods feel that Horus was the dominant one, and therefore the rightful heir. In later versions of this myth, it is Thoth's magic that causes the semen to respond.

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Sounds like it came from the old testament book. or a acid trip both are very similar.

 

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Truth should be searched
with a simple heart
it will be found in nature
it must be told
only to decent people
~Bernardin de Saint-Pierre

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Here's a PS taken from another Forum, discssing the Letters:

"I'm not the author of the Letters, but I know a few things about alchemy. The forces of resurrection is the Kundalini fire. If it is wrongly conducted the force creates (as they say) havoc in the body and mind ending with death.

Animus is the microcosmic male (anima the microcosmic female). They have to wed in the 'chemical wedding', the 'hieros gamos', the 'wedding of the Lamb'. This wedding is done through that fire. One is reborn then after one is recomposed by that fire again and thereby resurrected again, and erected from the dead. The dead are not the buried ones, but the not through that fire reborn. So one is not resurrected from a usual grave in the ground, but the grave of the 'dead (=not reborn) body'. Religion is mythology misunderstood (who said that?). That's why the Gospel according to Thomas says: the dead (not through fire reborn) are not alive, and the living (the through fire reborn) will not die. Alchemy is supposed to be about physical immortality."

My extra remark:

If the Letters are true, then we christians have been eating the menu instead of the meal all the time. But I think not all is lost. In alchemy it is said in old manuscripts that 'the solar hero' will fetch the gold of immortality (it is said to reside in the centre of the earth). They say: you need gold, to make gold (for the benefit of us all?).

Alchemist also say: 'don't pray to to cross, it is too young, it comes too soon.' And they say: 'we're awaiting the stone.'

For what it's worth.

Tatsuko.

 

Erasmus, you're just afraid you miss out on salvation. You are deeply worried about the Letters (true despice is silent (Schopenhauer)).

 

Erasmus, I can't take you seriously anymore. Brothwood says: I therefore am not a Christian. And then you come in two posts later and say: It does not sound like you are a christian.

And another thing: you're not a christian either. Your mouth and ego are too big for that.

 

Homosexuality a sin?


'Moses and Paul had something against homosexuality, and therefore God had something against homosexuality.' (d'apres Nietzsche)

God also has something against eating shellfish. But I never hear Christians about shellfish, or pick on shellfish-stores. Could that be because they personally (these Christians) have nothing against shellfish.

All christian homophobia is excused by the bible. Wearing a gun, going to the police, going to a court, chasing wealth, defending yourself (read the sermon on the Mountain, the constitution of the Gospel), all very unchristian things. But everybody does these things.

Would you see Jesus support death=penalty NO MATTER WHAT? Or go to court? Or to the Police? Or wear a gun.?

But you're homophobic, and then all of a sudden you take a microcoscope and read the homophobic parts of the Bible. And you say: O, did you se that? God hates fags too?

Playing church isn't going to bring you to heaven. Fancy.

 

is there any evidence to suggest God supports or condones homosexual behavour?

 

depends who your God is, as we are in a christian section, then yes the christian God does condem homosexuality and call it a sin and worse. the Bible has many versus claiming such things;

Lev.18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Lev.20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Rom.1:26-27 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
it has come into affect that christians are supposed to love the sinner but hate the sin, however putting this in action is a lot harder then in theory as many chrisitan unfortunately hold a lot of anger towards certain groups and do not love them
peacex

 

I agree with what you say here. Many Christians are don't agree with Homosexuality and unfortunately go to the extreme of hating people who live this way. Personally I don't agree with homosexuality (as I believe the scriptures you have quoted above) however I never want to forget the scripture:

"The second is this, 'Y[size=-2]OU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' There is no other commandment greater than these." - Mark 12:31[/size]

Neighbor here being everyone not just those next to you. If I have to love (respect) everyone as I would myself then I should not hate anyone.

Basically I will talk to homosexuals and treat them no differently (as much as is possible - this depends on how they decide to conduct themselves) but I will never agree with the way they choose to live their sexual life.

 

Here's a contribution by 'Paul' on another Forum.
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I can relate to the aspect of certain homosexuals bearing a proper and developed synergy of both masculine and feminine energies to bring forth the alchemical wedding wherein true ecstasy and union of the two polarities are blended in divine Unity effecting immortality and true ascension. As the letters state not all homosexuals automatically possess this current state of synergization but their constitution is more capable or conducive to enter into this state if properly guided/developed. This is only because of the unique disposition constitutionally of some souls of bearing quality-sensitivities of both genders. The spiritual wedding then is within the bridal chamber of the Soul where the elixir and immortality of Life is born.

If we look at the whole process/metaphysic of resurrection/regeneration.....the whole birthing or procreative dynamic includes the union/intercourse of male and female energies. These are essential as these dualities are united and made one in the Effulgence of the Christ. When the two are made one.....the requirements of Love are satisfied and the offspring of such a state is pure joy, bliss, ecstasy, eternal Life (such intercourse spawns continual generations unto infinity).

Therefore it is the proper employment of mind, body and spirit in the alchemical process of the wedding of God and Man in the Deification. Enter - 'theosis'.

 

Read the Letters. The parts on Mark (secret and public) and John.

Then, God has something against homosexuals. Nietzsche cleared that:

The old Jews (Moses and Paul) had something against homosexuality, and therefore God had something against homosexuality.

It wouldn't be the first time that a 'prophet' mixed his personal vieuws up with his 'revelations'. Or gave out his personal feelings deliberately for Gods feelings.

There are so many ridicules 'preferences' and 'allergies' from God in the Bible, about cooking even. Imagine, the creator of the Universe out of balance by such things.

My father told me: the gospel is in the Bible, but not the whole Bible is the Gospel. And the fundament of the Gospel is the sermon on the Mountain.

Tatsuko.