French court bans Christ advert [double standards]

=), BTW: it was only one example there are many others.​

I intentionally didn't post the advertisement, I believe in Jesus (pbuh) the Christ as well, plus, there are many Chritsians here and for other reasons. ​

Peace, love be with you, Amen.​

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Dear Muslims your attention , please​

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O Muslims, focus on this, you must grasp it. Dear Muslims keep reading Quraan you will find everything there.​

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Do you think that they are making these laws of freedom because of freedom? Huh! Or because they know that you hate such things, they want to get rid of you!!​

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Quraan:O you who believe! .. they have.. driven out .. yourselves because you believe in Allâh your Lord! ..Should they gain the upper hand over you, they would behave to you as enemies, and stretch forth their hands and their tongues against you with evil, and they desire that you should disbelieve.​

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Quraan:O you who believe! .. they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand. Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e. you believe in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), while they disbelieve in your Book, the Qur'ân]. And when they meet you, they say, "We believe". But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: "Perish in your rage. Certainly, Allâh knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets)."​

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Dear if Allah in these verses are talking about former people who happened to be with Muhammad (pbuh) it doesn't mean that they don't exist today, be clever my dear. ​

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Quraan: …Their hearts are alike, We have indeed made plain the signs for people who believe with certainty.​

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My dear Muslim brothers and sisters don't be so sad, Allah with us, Allah is enough for us, it doesn't matter if all the people all over the world hate you as long as Allah loves you, OK my dear =)​

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Dear Muslims listen to this song, song No. 15 [Allah is enough for me] enjoy​

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How great are you Allah, indeed you are the All-knowing, praise and Glory be to you, so proud to be your slave, Muslim. So proud that you are my Lord, my God, the one who I worship, the best thing I have ever known in my entire life is you.​

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You know my dear Allah that I really can't think of right words to describe my love, but it doesn't make so sad because you know how much I do love you and I am so happy for that =), ​

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to read the entire post click Post 12 ​

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Yours Sincerely,​

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Cat Stevens​

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May Allah bless Albert R.Wynn
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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

I am FULLY aware.

But it works both ways. I'm sure there are people in KSA and elsewhere looking for any excuse to remove Western influence or attack the US.

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Dear friend, I don't accept random accusations and doubts which don't depend on facts or sure information.

I am not accusing anyone. I am merely saying that any supervision of charitable organisations is a common occurrence, because fraud has occurred in the past. I am trying to point out that such scrutiny is not suspicion but standard operating procedure.

But the tattoo wasn't referencing the lowly death of a slave but the Passion story.
What I'm getting at is this - whereas you look at certain things and see a literal offence, the intended audience of such a cartoon will see a metaphor for an idea, rather than a literal reference.

I work with this all the time. In our country white is worn at weddings and black at funerals. Red is the color of passion (scarlet, for a whore) - whereas in China, white is for funerals, and red a color at weddings. Communication is not what's said but what's heard. Problem is, if someone overhears a conversation not meant for him all kinds of hell can break loose.

 

By the way, the "moderate" Muslim nations are free to boycott whom they wish. It is reasonable that if the Danes want to make certain statements, then people in Dubai who don't appreciate those statements are welcome to deny them business.

Cat, I do appreciate completely how you feel. But as we've seen with the internet, unfettered communication can lead someone like me, who thought Islam the mind virus that turns rational human beings into walking bombs - into someone with a greater understanding and respect for your culture.

I have enough trust and faith that when we eliminate the "you cannot say this" from our societies, that it comes out who is saying what and when, we'll evolve.

I remember a web site called the Dysfunctional Family Circus. They took a cartoon by a guy by the name of Bil Keane, and invited people to submit new captions for the cartoons. Of course, all kinds of vileness ensued - references to bestiality, child molestation, alcoholism, etc. Some of which were diabolically funny.

The syndicate that owns the strip was gearing up to sue. The web site publishing the feature was set to run its own defence, and host the site on computers outside the jurisdictions of US law, making enforcement of any decrees by the US court unenforceable....

...when Bil Keane himself, an old school man, simply telephoned the owner of the web site in question.

He spoke to him, man to man. Said he understood what the guy was doing, found some of the stuff funny, etc. but when it boiled down to it, what he was doing was not only trashing the man's work and making fun of what he did but was the web site owner aware of the fact that the characters in the strip are based on his own wife and children? Basically, he said "frankly, would you call my wife to her face a (euphemism for male fluid) guzzling gutter (euphemism for whore)?"

Said that he was pretty sure that no actual malice was meant, but that not only were a lot of his readers hurt by the existence of their project, but it hurt him personally that it was his wife and kids referred to as child prostitutes and drug addicts.

The site was YANKED within seconds, and all extant copies in control by the web site owner was DESTROYED. Keep in mind this was a man intent on fighting "censorship" to the bitter end.

When it was phrased as "I'm not telling you what you can and can't do, I'm asking you man to man to see it as disrespect to who I am" it made a world of difference.

We have a saying in England - you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I'm not suggesting Moslems become punks and take any kind of abuse, but I think the reaction back surprised most people in the West. Not knowing the traditions and taboos it was seen as gang menacing, not the protection of the sacred.

There will always be idiots. Google "Fred Phelps". But the vast majority of people are rational. Could they not hire Cat Stevens (the user here, not the singer) as some kind of ambassador?

 

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Try to grasp the point, by yourself,
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Best wishes
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Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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No dear friend, I didn't mean you, I meant the US' treatment and dealing with my Muslim brothers. I have my documents.​

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I know my dear friend, I am with such kind of security, but regarding the mosque issue the US wasn't have any problems with that, but the Jews demanded that,……….​

BTW: Take a look on this read post 8 the second Quotation from BBC​

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Even if they were metaphors, these metaphors give the same conception i.e. bad conceptions, what's the difference, however, it is the deliberate ignorance concerning the great prophet Muhammad's life, mission, message and status (pbuh), they really don't know to whom they did that *sigh* however, the ugly double standards are so clear, I make it clear enough, and this is what the main topic is all about.​

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Thank you very much dear friend =), may Allah bless you.​

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Million thanks to Allah​

But dear friend we should verify everything, some of my Muslim brothers come to me with news, when I ask them, give me the source, they become angry! It doesn't mean that because he is a Muslim I should trust or believe in whatever he says, especially when he gets sensitive issues and news. I should check the sources by myself, perhaps he misunderstood it.​

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Myself I say: Say whatever you want with love, peace and respect. When we misuse the freedom then it spreads hatred and threatens stability, peace and security. Hatred threatens stability, peace and security; this is a very real fact.​

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Some people consider it funny, but if that cartoons (the harsh, disrespected,vileness etc cartoons) were about them the double standards appear.​

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Sadly, some people will not realize that this is morally wrong, [as human being we have mind it is wrong, we have feelings, feelings' injuries don't heal fast ], till they will experience such experiences. But it is too late for some who were hurt. Some people don't accept to be treated like this but they accept that if it is happening to the others!!!! Double standards, that's it.​

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I think those kind of people don't respect themselves, hate themselves, live empty lives, don't have goals,… etc​

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Thanks to Allah, even those idiots are rational in deep, I am sure.​

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=) thank you very much IronGoth, may Allah bless you, Amen.

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

I am aware of your feelings, but regarding the second paragraph, Caterpillar makes bulldozers. These are not necessarily used to hurt or kill people. It would be like saying we cannot sell glass bottles to Islamic countries because they might be used to make Molotov Cocktails (a kind of bomb).

Wait, hold it. Saying "The Jews" would be like me saying "The Muslims" when talking about Al-Qaeda. Some people are questioning where money is going, and I hate to say this but I agree with them. In my home country (Canada) money from mosque construction and zakah found its way to the hands of terrorist organisations, and it is reasonable to ask the question. It is NOT reasonable to make assumptions nor is it reasonable to do what is outside the law. They are not necessarily accusing anyone of anything. All they are saying is this: that since abuses can and have happened, can we see the accouting. Charitable organisations are supposed to be open about where they get money from and where it goes to.

Let's relate this to the second quote: saying Caterpillar should be punished because someone used a bulldozer on a Palestinian home is not fair, any more than I should burn the Koran because Osama Bin Laden uses it to make some people kill. However, if a unit of the Israeli army is using it to kill people then by all means inform them in no uncertain terms they will NOT allow sales to Israel if they're going to be used for aggression. But it needs to be specific: we oppose the Israeli army using this to kill, as opposed to we oppose Caterpillar for having sold a bulldozer.

"The Jews" also include elements looking to find peace with their Muslim brethren.

There is a considerable difference. For starters, if the drawing was meant to illustrate how some people are PERCEIVING Mohammed, that's different than illustrating who the Prophet was. Context is important, here.

In addition, if a drawing of a section of someone's life is used to illustrate a concept that's different as well. Christians will often use the term "road to Damascus moment" when referring to a sudden change of heart or a revelation. This is NOT meant to mock or demean Paul. It's used to refer to the circumstances Paul found himself in.

I beg the people burning stuff down and hoping to kill artists to try and divine or infer context and intent with all this.

Look at my own experience. I was attacked with a screwdriver by a man who had pictures of Al Qaeda in his locker. He quoted the Koran and the verses he quoted do exist in the Koran. To me that was an open and shut case. Mohammed says kill everyone else until everyone is Muslim. That sounds like a threat. But once again context is the issue.....

Admirable, but we can't enforce that at swordpoint.

Well do keep in mind it never occurred to the authors of the new words for the cartoons that they were insulting the man's family. What they were attacking and skewering is the saccharine-sweet and incorrect notion that life with children is innocent, sweet, etc. In fact, kids are closer to "South Park" than "Family Circus" in every way. The youths who wrote in couldn't relate to a bland, artificial and frankly incorrect and sanitised view of all-white childhood. So they attacked it. Not him.

This is how the Western mind works. It never occurred to ANYONE that ANYONE would take it as a literal attack on Bil Keane.

 

The New Zealand branch of the Catholic church recently called for the boycott of a television station running South Park's episode "Bloody Mary." South Park, which usually averaged ~32 thousand viewers (in New Zealand), had record numbers of people watch this episode (~ 210 thousand viewers).

Gotta go, my ride showed up. Here is the link... other stuff is available on fark earlier this week.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2006/02/23/boycott-southpark-ratings.html

 

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Thanks, but they became angry exactly like the Muslims regarding the mosque! I say the same regarding the mosque and donationsè these are not necessarily used to hurt or kill people. Muslims don't accept this mess of fears and doubtsè It is NOT reasonable to make assumptions
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Of course I didn't mean all Jews; I am talking about the Jews which were mentioned in the report.
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Muslims already answered!!
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There are solutions, but it is known, the US will accept the solutions which it likes and serve its advantages and goals, they can guarantee the people that they won't get visited by the FBI, if I lend you a money because you told me that you want to by a car, but instead of that you bought a gun and killed people!!! I am totally completely not responsible at all; the organization should be only visited by the FBI, because they are working with that money of donations! It is stupid to give donators' names. I just can't believe the US mentality and the way they think!!!!!!!!! They are unbelievable!! The organization already stated for what these money will be. I understand from the report that there wasn't a law which demands to give donators' names before! And even if there is a law there are solutions but..*sigh*
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Very true, =) may Allah bless them.
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Myself I didn't hear any of the cartoonists stated that he meant such and such!!
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Ohhhhhhhhhh! Is that another experience, Oh, dear friend I am so so so so sorry dear friend for having such experience…………………………….
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I will try to write a thread about what to do if a Muslim terrorist attacked you
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The case is whenever you find a quotation from Quraan, like a single verse, try to read the previous verse, and as I told you formerly,
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Agreed, but to avoid violence and hatred, it is good to make laws regarding the sensitive big common issues, and if they want to insult people do it but not publicly, it is really better to avoid hatred which begets violence, most people become aggressive and can't control themselves.
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Quraan: And insult not those whom they (disbelievers-non-Muslims) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongly without knowledge
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Respecting each other, love you Allah =)
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Did he know or was he aware that they were meaning this?
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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really they are totally impolite people, this isn't funny at all​

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YoursSincerely,​

Angry CatStevens​

 

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Cat Stevens
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Shame on them! I mean WWII was such a time of peace and joy. Why would they discourage the political party that was responsible for 10s of millions of deaths.