Bush vs. Nixon

Discussion in 'Politics' started by newo, Feb 23, 2006.

  1. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Halliburton

    Failure of 9/11 intelligence

    No WMDs

    Enron

    Iraq's Decline

    The economy

    Abu Ghraib

    Guantanamo Bay

    The CIA leaks

    Hurricane Katrina

    Tom DeLay

    Jack Abramoff

    Domestic spying & wiretapping

    UAE ports takeover

    Etc.

    Compare all of that with Watergate and what's worse? If Watergate could bring Nixon down then what does it take to bring Bush down? Is he untouchable? Or could it be that Nixon's mistake was that he fought a war in which no one attacked us?
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    If Nixon was brought down by something as seemingly minor as Watergate, then it was probably intended that way by people within (his handlers). It's the same reason why Bush hasn't been brought down by his handlers. There is a method to their madness.

    If Bush was posing a threat to the Elite's agenda, he would have either been killed or impeached by now. But it's clear to most of us that Bush is the best friend the Elite could ever want, because he will glady serve their agenda at the expense of the American people (exactly what he was put into office to do).
     
  3. AreYouExperienced

    AreYouExperienced American Victim

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    If anything, Nixon was the first predominant public poster boy for pandering to the needs of the elite, at least accoring to the conspiracy theorists. What example do you have that Nixon strayed from the supposed "elite agenda"?

    It clearly doesn't boil down to the cause being information leaks, as seen by the publication of the atrocities of the current administration.

    I'm not saying that I don't believe that these conspiracy theories are true, I'm just trying to make sense of it for myself.
     
  4. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Because people of extreme wealth and power, who are out of the public eye, are usually above the law.
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I never said he didn't pander to the needs of the Elite. Of course he did. Even Kennedy was a servant of the Elite to some extent. All presidents are servants of the Elite (or else they wouldn't get into office in the first place), but if they step out of line, for whatever reason, they are usually brought down or destroyed altogether.

    This article by Henry Makow brings up some relevent and interesting points regarding the fall of Nixon. I suggest you give it a read. It's not a very long read.
     
  6. Pointbreak

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    That Makow's an interesting guy. Definitely down with the jewish banker thing. And here's a recent movie review of his:


     
  7. Pointbreak

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    Halliburton - yes, what about it?

    Enron - yes, what about it?

    The economy - doing fine, thanks.

    UAE ports takeover - so what?
     
  8. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    Secret Bombings of Cambodia.
    COINTELPRO.
    Rampant Wiretaps used to blackmail political enemies.
    The War on Drugs.
    Being dumb enough to tape record his conversations dealing with multiple felonies.
    ....

    Yeah, i don't like bush, but he ain't no nixon.
     
  9. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Secret Bombings of Cambodia.
    Compare that with starting a war with Iraq under false pretenses

    COINTELPRO.
    Rampant Wiretaps used to blackmail political enemies.
    Compare that with Bush's secret wiretappings

    The War on Drugs.
    Still going strong

    Being dumb enough to tape record his conversations dealing with multiple felonies
    If being dumb is reason for impeachment then let's get it underway! You're right, Bush is no Nixon, he's not that bright!
     
  10. Inquiring-Mind

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    Bush isn't dumb, he is just playing to his base.

    Intelligent people aren't his base.

    His base only cares about abortion, gays, terrorism, and child porn.

    Everything else is irrelevant to them and these people would elect him again if he can run.
     
  11. fuzzywuz

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    the problem is the so called LEFT is not united....too many wierdos whose agendas do not fit together....so they can't act in unison....with Nixon there was a unified reaction.
     
  12. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    Nixon's wiretaps were alot worse than bush, not only did they not get warrants, they were used as political tools. Bush atleast is using the illegal wiretaps for some good argueably.
    And Bush isn't a raving anti-semite as far as i can tell.
     
  13. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Wow.

    Yeah, Bush is using the wiretaps for some "good." Who cares if it's completely unconstitutional and illegal, at least he's workin' to get them there evil doers.

    No, I don't think Bush is an anti-Semite. He's the reincarnation of Abraham himself. Look, he even reads the Talmud.

    [​IMG]

    Than again, can he even read? I know he doesn't read the newspaper, but who cares when Karl Rove is telling you everything you need to know. :p

    I cannot say I am a huge fan of Nixon's legacy (though he was a better president than everyone else since, IMO), but to compare him to Bush is just ludicrous.
     
  14. m6m

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    Perceptive post PB.

    Makow of "SAVE THE MALES.CA" is an example of what male sexual inadequacy can lead to.

    Makow's homophobia reflects the depth of his latent homosexuality.

    Makow's patriarchal archetypes is another symptom of the powerful sub-conscious homo-eroticism of the sexually insecure male.

    Makow's conspiracy theories sub-consciously symbolizes ones own shadow-side that we darkly project whenever the cover of our social-persona is pierced.

    Makow, in those respects, resembles the haunted Richard Nixon.
     
  15. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Perceptive? What did PB do other than quote from his website?

    Also, I would like to know how Makow is a homophobe, simply because he has his own viewpoint that doesn't conform to the PC ideals forced by society and the media?

    And, please, stop pretending you're a shrink. You seem to be as full of shit as they are.
     
  16. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    I'm not saying that i agree with bush's wiretaps, but held against nixon's they aren't 'as bad'. they still are illegal, unconstitutional, and in my mind, grounds for impeachment. But at least, as far as we know, they were used to monitor suspected al qadea, which is not nearly as bad as using it to blackmail civil rights leaders.
     
  17. Pointbreak

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    So Rat, this actually makes sense to you?
     
  18. m6m

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    Perceptive in that PB recognized that quote revealed Makow and Nixon as being fixated by many of the same neurotic preoccupations.

    Makow's and Nixon's all too obvious homophobia conforms to mainstream society's ten thousand year old patriarchal fear of its own latent homosexuality.

    Makow's and Nixon's naked sexual identity would be further threatened if our old patriarchal drappery were suddenly stripped from them.

    Examining the psycho-dynamics of our hidden motivations may feel embarrassing, but that's only because it's touching upon a sensitive nerve.

    Yet it's necessary if we are to understand the hidden motivations of sex and death behind the politics, business and religion of Civilized Man.
     
  19. Pumpkin Eater

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    Halliburton - Conspiracy theory

    Failure of 9/11 intelligence - fault of the CIA

    No WMDs - fault of the CIA

    Enron - Nothing to do with Bush

    Iraq's Decline - This one I will give you

    The economy - The president has little actual control over the economy.

    Abu Ghraib - Nothing to do with Bush

    Guantanamo Bay - I'll give you this one also

    The CIA leaks - Nothing to do with Bush

    Hurricane Katrina - Nothing to do with Bush

    Tom DeLay - Nothing to do with Bush

    Jack Abramoff - Nothing to do with Bush

    Domestic spying & wiretapping - You can have this one

    UAE ports takeover - not enough info yet.

    Looks like only 3 of your issues are the direct result of the President. I don't like the man, and I think he has been a godawful president, but your arguments are a bit ridiculous.
     

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