GOD & PROOF

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Good question. Ask often.

Really? Why?

Impressive question, however, Who knows?

Why, is there something I should expect? Well, I'll try to enjoy it.

Peace and Love

 

What does "real" mean? What are the defining qualities of "real?" What qualifies anything as "real?"

Your idea about reality . . . is IT real?

Is it more or less real than reality?

Now what?

Peace and Love

 

See... I get what you're saying, but you say that god is a product of flawed logic, wheras I believe that statement is too.

Everything and nothing : What scientific proof do you have that either of those are real? Everything and nothing at a mathematical level are tools that help us to understand something. If it's your perception that makes you believe in them, then why is it right to percieve them but wrong to percieve that there's a god? Many people would say that god IS everything, the connection between apperently unrelated somethings.

 

some people think god has a separate reality that is both of us and beyond . so in this thinking god exists and does not . (and may the boundary of these twin universes be also a universe ?) so then there's the idea that in death one goes to a separate reality , a universe that has a vastly different mode of existence and furthermore is totally of god .


consider there is literally only one universe . god may exist , or did , or shall . non-existence has no reality , and god is at least a metaphor for aspects of existence . we strive to perceive all of them . in this , love is important ,
because life especially is shy about revealing secrets . like my mouse is shy of the owl .

 

Fish don't taste the water.

 

I know, I know, been through it all before.. and likewise with you. Don't know why you told me that, I am capable of thought.

lol... I knew if I questioned your way of thinking you'd get defensive. Truth is, I feel exactly the same way as you do about everything and nothing, read some of my other posts.. the only reason I questioned you is because you seem so sure of yourself, that's the road to closed-mindedness. You say no-one knows more than anyone else, yet you're implying what you know is more truthful.

I could sit here and tell you that I'm actually an artificial-intelligence, I'm not human, I'm just code. There IS a logical reason to believe that... there's just no easy way to prove it is true or isn't true. It's just easier to assume that I'm not, because it's incomprehensible to you, you've never heard of such technology before. Just like it was easier to believe the world is flat. BUT IT COULD BE TRUE! In some way's, they were right anyway. Depending on the way you see things, a circle is a straight line wrapped round an origin.

Like you know, everyones worlds are stored inside their heads. You've been on a long road to where you are now, and you may have a great view, but what you see, what your perception tells you, isn't always what others see. You create your own world. Don't be so sure that world that you percieve is the only reality, or the absolute truth, because what you see as god isn't what others see.

 

Given what you just agreed on and said in that post wouldn't Truth be objective for the indvual person because thats the only one they've experinced? It only becomes subjective when you present it to a crowd that dosen't belive the same. If you continue to think like that really everything is subjective. Even logic becuase whats Logical for a Pentecostal won't be logical for a Athiest.

 

love has a logic . you can share and commune with anything by a philosophy of feeling . if not - you are schizoid . and there are the truly schizoid who say god is a separate reality , and there are the equally schizoid who deny a wholeness of feeling . god is essentially a concept of wholeness . why dis it ? there is one wholeness of existence , and it is absolutely not subjective except to the schizoid . this is not to imply that schizoids do not survive and make noises .

 

Nothing can ever be objective.

You experience everything that you have, are, or will subjectively-- Thru your five senses. You interpret things according to personal experiences, that were percieved through your five senses.

 

that fucker keeps hiding in the shadows ......but hey ive got him in check with 5 gallons of holy water . ...... five senses that are real are" sight - sound - smell - taste - touch .

 

I believe in a lot of things. I believe in humans. I believe in chocolate cake. I believe in newspaper offices (I work in one). I believe in an affection called love and one called hate. I believe they are both real, but can be altered as they are subjective. I believe that the purpose of life is happiness for oneself and others. I believe in many of the tenets taught by Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi and many other wise teachers. I believe that you create your own "God" in your own image and that heaven and hell are not places, but states of mind.

I don't believe you have to have a "supernatural", invisible sky daddy to make it all happen. I don't believe in devils, angels, demons, trolls, fairies, gremlins, ghosts, goblins, "magik" and spells, astrology, psychics, or anything which seems like something that comes from a Hollywood fantasy film or ancient tale.

 

... "invisible sky daddy"? LOL

 

'I don't believe in devils, angels, demons, trolls, fairies, gremlins, ghosts, goblins, "magik" and spells, astrology, psychics, or anything which seems like something that comes from a Hollywood fantasy film or ancient tale.'
Libertine
I have nothing to offer you that is 'evidence that it is even possible', as you requested. Just hearsay from my own eyewitness experiences. If I recall, none of those times were you there, Libertine. Therefore, if I were as skeptical of it as you, I'd just dismiss whatever was claimed as being somehow explainable by rational means. So, there you have it, sorry.
I guess you just don't get to see the proof yourself. You are not alone by a long shot. But, then, neither am I. Millions of people have shared similar experiences, which are only proof to them, of course. Why this phenomena is not universally experienced is beyond me. I just know that it is reality for me and many millions of others, and I also know that it is fantasy to many who have not been there, done that, which is understandable.

 

wasn't sure if it was a new 5 Star dish or not a little Crab maybe some Scampie :-D

 

Some red tuna...a bit of wasabi in soy sauce...mmmmmmmmmm!!!

In better news its now 6 frickn 30 am and I'm off of work! Third Shift is so boring

 

'I just know that it is reality for me and many millions of others, and I also know that it is fantasy to many who have not been there, done that, which is understandable.'BG13
I know. In my Psychology classes that was shown to be correct. It doesn't change what I have seen and experienced.

‘Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.’ Albert Einstein

‘For every problem there is a solution that is simple, clear, and wrong.’ H. L. Mencken

'The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.' H. J. Haldene

'99.999% of what affects our reality will be undetectable by our senses. Man must learn to think for himself rather than follow blindly what he has been taught.’ Buckminster Fuller

" If I do not believe as you believe, it proves that you do not believe as I believe, and this is all that it proves. " Thomas Paine

" If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. " Lyall Watson

‘Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.’ Albert Einstein

 

God isn't going away no matter what anyone says. I am living proof of that. You can't convince people to accept a reality based solely on "facts" when our minds have the ability to reason beyond that...you just can't. Unless you drug/brainwash us.

It seems hypocritical to me to accuse believers of being irrational...and at the same time argue against the existence of God as if your arguments will ever stop people from believing in a diety. It's not going away, sorry.

 

If anyone makes the claim that god exists, they must provide empirical evidence, or else let me meet this god of there's. When they make that assertion, they must provide documentation, as that is a positive assertion about reality. If they say "I believe god exists"- that's fine, it's not up for debate, as that's a personal assertion.

 

http://www.goatism.org/logic.htm