Candida & tea tree?

How to cure vaginal fungus (eew)(candida) with tea tree? I read somewhere that it is possible but I wonder how..? Any experienced?

 

Hmmm. That stuff burns. When I get a vag infection I go for the big guns, as mine get bad, quickly. Right now, I am experiencing a UTI and a yeast infection. I am going to start three days of Diflucan for the yeast. I've been dealing with yeast for 30 years and Diflucan (the orally taken yeast killer) is the Rolls Royce of yeast infection meds. You need a prescription, and a one day treatment is no longer effective. (Even yeast becomes resistant after a few years) so you need a few day so treat it. It works systemically, as often you may have overgrowth in different parts of your body. Good stuff.

The pills of this drug are easier to use than anything you put in your Yoni and about 10,000 times more effective.

Good luck.

 

http://www.msu.edu/~eisthen/yeast/index.html try this website, it's awesome! Guided me through all of my yeast infections.

 

"walking around miserable for days with disgusting slime dribbling down between our legs" hahahah this site is amazing! thanks so much!
thank you for the reply maggie sugar but I'd rather solve it myself in a natural way instead of going to the doctor and paying for stuff that I could maybe do myself.. see?

 

I usually get intestinal candida first, then nipple thrush, then athlete's foot, and then dandruff, and if I haven't treated it by then, I will get vaginal yeasties. I always double or triple up on the probiotics/acidophilus and take the max recommended dosage of grapefruit seed extract (orally). I also stop eating any sugar, wheat or dairy (not an issue now that my diet does not consist of any sugar or wheat anymore for other reasons). Pau D'arco tea also helps. Prescriptions (diflucan, nystatin) have never worked for me.

 

god, i'm lucky. that sounds HORRIBLE.

 

so changing your diet actually does help?
I'm not even sure if I still have the candida haha..
but if I'm sure again, I think I'll try yoghurt!

 

yes, changing your diet really does help. Do a web search for "candidiasis diet" or "candida diet" and you'll find tons of helpful information. Yeast thrives on sugar, and dairy, and grains - that's how they make wine and beer after all (different kind of yeast, but it's still yeast). You can starve the yeast by not eating those things. Probiotics are a definite must whenever fighting candida. It is perfectly safe to take 4 times the recommended dose, three times a day, to treat a bad case.

I very very rarely miss the first signs and start treating it before it gets that far.

 

hey beautiful freak....
check out www.wholeapproach.com
i used this site a LOT when i was having candida issues. i made some diet adjustments (trying to no longer be a sugar-addict), & now i never seems to have a problem. once you begin to recognize the warning signs that you body's out of balance, it's easier to make the corrections BEFORE you get an infection.
about the site though....be warned, these women are pretty hard-core about candida & their lists of food to avoid can be really depressing. definately do the risk assessment test on their site first

 

ok thanks!
I blame the morning after pill for the candida though, not my diet. Haven't had candida for ages! but I understand how to use changes in diet for prevention.. anyway, I'm gonna try some of the things listed on the awesome website redhead gave us! bring on the yoghurt! haha

 

make sure your partner is treated, too, or he'll just keep giving it back to you...

 

Most reputable studies have shown that what you eat has little to no impact on vaginal yeast. What you put in your mouth has little effect on your vaginal health. Everyone has some yeast in their intestines and in their vagina, in order for Candida to really become "systemic" you have to have some serious immune system problems. Yeast is usually confined to the genitals in healthy adults, and the nipples and sometimes milk ducts of nursing mothers. babies can and do get mouth and intestinal thrush, but adults who get this either have misdiagnosed themselves, or have some serious immune problems. No healthy adult should be getting thrush in their mouth, unless they are a diabetic, or have other serious immune system problems. Differencial Diagnosis of self diagnosed "Mouth Thrush" in an otherwise healthy adult person, who is using one of those "yeast diets" to treat what they may not have........malnutrition. From living on nothing but organic brown rice and distilled water. Or some other excessively restrictive diet. I saw more womyn harming themselves in the name of "Candida" (including myself, who beleived this stuff for a number of years, until I started really reading the studies) than I can count. It was such a problem in the late 80s through the 90s, that a few LLL leaders came close to losing their leader status due to "practicing medicine" by putting womyn on these diets and "natural supplement" regimenes, few of which have any real treatment value.

One more thing about Diflucan. It is the best thing on the market for yeast. It is also a diagnostic drug. If you were given a proper treatment (one pill doesn't do it for vaginal yeast anymore, you need 2 or 3 days, and at least 7 to 14 days on it for Ductal yeast in the breast) and it didn't work, it may well have NOT been yeast. There are other microbes, a few easily diagnosed and easily treated parasites (usually giardia or trichimonis) or a bacterial infection which Diflucan doesn't work for. And the symptoms are very similar. But, if you DID have yeast, and you were given a proper treatment protocal, it works. It it didn't, there is a strong indication that you had something else. Taking a simple culture from your mouth (if you think you have oral thrush) or better yet, from your vagina, can tell the doctor if it is yeast or not. They can easily count the number of yeast colonies to determine normal yeast presence from a real "Yeast Infection." If they find little to no yeast in the vagina, the chances that what you are dealing with is really Yeast is highly unlikely.

I can't tell you the number of clients I have worked with who insisted they had Candida, and would get minor relief from this or that, and it turned out to be anything from Irritable Bowel, to Mono, to a Trichamonis infestation to a Depressive episode. Not all symptoms which initially appear as yeast, ARE yeast. If you are having chronic problems, and standard treatments aren't working and you are riding a carasol of one "natural" treatment after and other, and still feeling like crap, seeing a doctor is really recommended. There are less than honest "Nutritionists" who will keep you on one treatment after an other, blame YOU, if you have a 'back slide' and just keep treating you, and coming back and paying her, for something you may not have. (Had one mother call my in panic becaus she "was going to get candida again." She was nearly in hysterics.) Asked how she knew this? She had eaten an Orange! That was it. She felt GUILTY for eating a freakin orange, her body was starved for fruit, because she let her nutritionist take her off "all sugar" and she was always being blamed for not getting "better" because the nutritionist coulld ALWAYS find something she had done to blame her lack of response to treatment on. (this was one of those "AHA" moments for me, when I started to doubt all the stuff I had been told about "Systemic Candida." Cause, I though I had it, too. I didn't. Yes, nasty vaginal yeast infections, but NOT systemic candida. It started me on a real path of looking at proven, clinincal treatments for things, rather than reading and beleiving anecdotes, and talking to people who had lots of money to be made by womyn NEVER getting over their "candida."

Dr. Crook's "Yeast Connection" has been proven a complete fraud. There is good, long result treatment for yeast. Most of the time they are MILD lifestyle changes (cotton panties, realizing you have an allergy to latex ect) and using known to work medications. I've been ON that roller coaster, with the freakin Pau D arco and Grape Seed Extract and God knows what else, and real medicine fixed it. "Candida" isn't a healthy lifestyle, it isn't a club, it isn't an identity. It is a fungus which can easily be treated, without changing your entire world, without feeling guilty because you ate, (GASP) a piece of white bread, without driving yourself and those around you, nuts.

I've seem womyn who start defining themselves by their "Candida Status" and have it become their identity, and it is NOT healthy. I've seen a womyn DRINKING "food quality" hydrogen peroxide, and living on brown rice cakes and spring water and NOTHING else (per her "nutritionist") she was actually becoming malnourished which caused sores in her mouth, which her nutritionist (not a certified one) took as "proof" of "Candida Poisoning." I finally rode this poor womyn,(she hired me as an LC, for her "Thrush" and I could see no symptoms of it, in either herself or her children, who were also being "treated.") with her dh's help, until she saw a real doctor, because she NEEDED help, and her nutritionist was only making things worse, with the impossible diet ect. My main issue? She had NO vaginal problems. This is usually the first place yeast occurs in an otherwise healthy womyn. She had many many symptoms which the quacky Dr Crook and her nutritionist percieved as "Candida" but, then ANYTHING you get, according to this man, is "proof" of "Candidiasis." End story, this womyn, with the rice cakes and the spring water and the lack of vaginal symptoms finally had her dh take her to a real doctor. (actually, it had gotten so bad, and she was SO involved in her identity as a "Candida Sufferer" and so freaking depressed for "falling off the wagon" on this insane diet, that her dh said he'd take the kids and leave, if she didn't see a real doctor.) Diagnosis. DEPRESSION. Treated with an SSRI, therapy, and in 2 months almost all her symptoms were gone. The "Diet" however, had taken a lot out of her, she had become malnourished, and it took her years to get her strength back. She is no longer on antidepressants, but she is still recovering from the malnutrition. She was diagnosed, properly, almost a decade ago.

Just a cautionary tale. If everything you love is being taken from you in the name of "treatment" and anything you do can be used to BLAME you for lack of your "getting better" and either the website or the "nutritionist" keeps coming up with one thing after an other, in order to address each new symptom you are getting, if you are CRAVING good foods, like fruits. bread, and even a little sugar, because you are afraid to eat them at all, if you are living on only a dozen or so foods, because you have been told that everything else will "aggravate" your "Candida" and you are starting to feel like you will NEVER get better. Please see a real health care professional.

I have some news. NO ONE will pass the "risk assement" on the website on the post several above this one. With these "assessments" everybody is a Candida victim.

I mean, people can do what they want, but as a Health Care Provider, who once FELL for this stuff, and who came out the other side, wiser, and healthier, and has seen dozens of womyn nearly ruin their lives by either being misdiagnosed, or actually having yeast, and not using the very easiest best thing to treat it with, I feel compelled to share what I have seen over a period of more than 18 years.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just don't ever want to see an other malnourished womyn, living on TWO foods, who is still blaming herself, for a "disease" that she may not even have.

Nuff said.

 

I *do* have major immune problems of unknown origin (probably vaccine injury). Many people who have been vaccinated have immune system problems, as well as women with endometriosis or other auto-immune disorders, or people with major allergies (count me in all three groups). There are good sugars and bad sugars. I have never limited my intake of fruits and veggies, but eating white refined sugar causes me terrible problems, beyond just the candidiasis, as does eating wheat and dairy. I know intestinal yeast when I have it. I always get diarreah after taking antibiotics because of candida overgrowth. It smells like yeast, for one. If it goes untreated, it looks like yeast, too. I know the difference between nipple thrush and plugged ducts or poor latch, which do feel very similar. I did not check out the link that was posted, it might very well be a scam. But as with everything else, I know my body, and I know candida when I have it. I know what helps to prevent it, and what I need to do to treat it without seeing my doctor. You don't have to believe me. I know it's true.

It is not grape seed extract, it is grapefruit seed extract, and it works much better than any prescription. Diflucan has never worked for me, ever. My doctor always prescribes you take it for three days.

 

That was one of my reasons for why some people CAN get systemic yeast. If you have immune problems, then the regular warnings for certain candida treatment may well not apply to you. I said. "People with healthy immune systems."

You know your body better than anyone, and I trust that. I kinda figured you had some immune problems, if the Diflucan didn't work. I suspect it would but you might need two weeks or more of daily treatment with it, that's what we have to do for womyn with diabetes, who get yeast infections. The standard 2-3 day treatments just don't get to the source. But, if what you are doing is working and you do have a healthy diet, go for it. (Yep, I checked, what I had was grapefruit seed. My mistake.) I worked with one mama with immune problems and killer nipple thrush who actually had to be on Difulcan the entire time she nursed. She was also borderline diabetic. Poor thing, she was in so much pain, I basically yelled at her doctor on the phone, because this was a number of years ago, and he didn't know what Diflucan was, she was bleedign and crying and the thrush smell was almost overpowering, yeah, you can smell it in bad cases. He ended up giving her an unliminted prescription, but not everyone wants to do that.)

I just worry, I don't want you to get malnourished, but I think you have more sense than that.

Hugs and love,
I PMed you, sweetie,

Maggie

 

Oh, I am really glad you are eating fruit. Nothing scares me more than when someone tells me "I'm off fruit." I'm like "All fruit? WHY?" Like you said, there are some sugars which are better than others, but going off of all fruit just never made any sense to me, and research proves that good fruits will not aggravate yeast.

 

i have a terrible addiction to fruit, despite the fact that every time i eat fruit i suddenly get really hungry and get a stomach ache. i hate how people will tell you "if you get hungry in the middle of the day, eat an apple to hold you over." bullshit. suddenly i'm starving and have a sugar crash. i hate that. but fruit is SO GOOD!!!

 

The same thing happens to me, KC, I also get the runs from it sometimes. (such nice things we talk about on this forum. LOL!) I find if I mix the fruit with some carbs and some fat, I don't get the crash. I have some crackers and butter or bread and butter with it, and the crash doesn't happen. The carbs and fat keep your sugar from falling drastically, and keeps your stomach from emptying quickly.

Try it.

 

ok ok, i was not in ANY way encouraging anyone to be malnourished by giving up fruit or any other wholesome foods.
i NEVER followed those guidelines strictly (hence the warning i left on my post), but there are some good guidelines that did prove helpful to me. sugar can cause yeast overgrowth in your intestines, which if not returned to a state of balance, can become yeast overgrowth in other areas as well. i have been there.
& yes i do have a compromised immune sytem from the many many rounds of antiobiotics & "real" medicine that i was on thru much of my childhood. my mother was a nurse in the allopathic tradition & thought it completely safe & normal to get me antiobiotics for every illness i faced, which in turn killed a lot of my good bacteria & resulted in more illness....yes a very yucky cycle that i was stuck in thru most of a decade! anyway, my personal experience is nothing more than that - MY experience &
i am not in any way claiming that all women are subject to this phenomena, or that this is what beautifulfreak is going thru. i do not buy into a LOT of the hype out there about candida. but i do know from my own experience (which is all i have to use) that some dietary adjustements have been helpful to me.
i did not in any way intend to put out false or fraudulent information to harm anyone. i just remembered about that site & that it does have some useful info on it (such as good low-sugar desert recipes & such). we should use our own common sense & good judgement when facing any helath issue. i do not beleive in any strict regiment of any source - it simply is not good to lean too far one way or another. imo...balance is the key.

 

Here's a really good article (took me a while to find it again) that focuses more on what you *should* be eating, rather than what you should not be eating. I think it makes a lot of sense. I don't agree 100% with what this person is saying, but I find this approach to have a more balanced perspective on candida. Trust your instincts, if you think eating sugar (or wheat, or dairy...) causes you problems, it won't hurt anything to stop eating it for a while. When you do start eating it again, if it is a problem, you will know it without a doubt.

 

Common sense is best. If you are needing a food, whether that be an orange or a piece of bread or whatever, your body will let you know. I was aware you gave a caveat about the site, I appreciate it.

I've just seen so many womyn go through hell trying to stay on even less drastic forms of antiyeast diets, and tried things which did nothing to help them, and they suffered, and I want other womyn to do their research before they decide which treatment is best for them, reading all the literature.

A lot of the more quacky "nutritionists" (usually those who are not registered or have any formal training and just use the title) have moved on to the "You have parasites" as the new "disease we all have and only THIS treatment will help, and all doctors are out to do is to kill you" thing. I KNOW this is not what you were doing, josai, I just have seen SO many womyn suffer under the yoke of "Candida" when many of them didn't even have it, and NONE of them had it systemically, and many were misdiagnosed, and lost years of treatment options while eating brown rice cakes and spring water.

Most of the ladies on this site have a lot of common sense. I trust people will take each piece of information as it was intended and do their own research and do what they need to to be healthy.