History is a Crock

this is where i see the whole concept as being entirely mistaken.

rome/greece is a propiganda smokescreen.
is rome/greece more important to the sacred ground an american is standing on then the people who called it their home for ten thousand years before it was 'discouvered' by renasaunce western europe? i don't think so.

likewise a very high percentage of americans ARE of african decent.

america is a nation of immigrants. immigrants who did NOT all come from western europe. if you did a numeric comparison of totals i suspect the total number of nonindiginous ancestoried americans on where their individual hieritages came from i think you'd find that western european origen, while possibly still the largest single minority, is none the less NOT any longer a majority.

plus if you're only going to study your own ethnicity, which through your own family you ought to already know at least a little, then what the heck is the point of studying history at all, other then as a vehicule for being brainwashed?

kenya? there are probably a LOT of americans who have at least some ancestors from kenya. and likewise just about everywhere else.

no. as an argument for focusing primarily on rome/greece, and as an excuse for distorting everything INCLUDING that, and outright lying about so many things, no this makes no sense at all.

and what about even the real anticedents of just western europe for that matter. do you immagine rome/greece a fair representation of even that origen? if you do you may need to do some homework of REAL history.

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What % of american's arent native americans? like 98%?

Who have inherited a history from Greece/Rome.

The history of Greece/Rome is pertinent to EVERY american. The government, the culture, the philosophy, and so much more is descended from them.

That is not to say that no other history is important..but America has grown out of a Greek/Roman/European history.

I think you need to understand who you are before you can even begin nto understand someone else.

The history of Rome/Greece/Europe is pertinent to EVERY American, even if they are from Kenyan. The history of Kenya is NOT pertinent to every American.

distorting? lying? wtf?

Rome/Greece were heavily influenced by Persia, Egypt and others...yes. One only has to take a Classics class to know that. However, one can not deny the tremendous influence of Greece/Rome on not only the western world, but the whole world.

 

Shit, and before you know it Atlantis is gonna pop out of the ocean and fucking satan is gonna take over the world. At least that's what I think will happen soon...

 

I don't understand what's so terrible about learning history, and I can't understand how so many people find it to be a senseless subject of study.

 

i think it shows the sorry state of education the western world...

 

nothing wrong with learning anything that is true and usefull
nothing right with being brainwashed with bald faced lies.

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"History is bunk" - Henry Ford.

 

so you see no sense in reading say Herodotos?

 

The trick to all book learning is how to dip your brain in the presentation without it being washed.

 

dude, if you say we should learn about kenya before greece and rome? name one thing kenya did for the modern world. nothing. a lot of their time was spent in wars and tribes. not civilizations. also we do learn about india and mongolia. at least virginia does.and history is more relevant to our every day life than stuff like chemistry. if people never learned about WW2, no one would know it happened in 3 generations and the holocaust would happen again. if we never learned about chemistry, i dont think it would affect the average american too much

 

but also i might be a bit biased towards history since its personally my favorite subject

 

sorry, didnt read the whole post, but, do you think history should be a mandatory high school class? A friend of mine brought this argument (roughly) up a few weeks ago: Science and math and english, in the sense that it teaches writing, are all relevant to what's going on every day. History, though, deals with the past, and is only really needed by politicians and historians, etc. So, like, say, fencing or Latin, it may be fun to learn, but useless in the long run for most people.

I disagree, but I'm wondering what people here say to that argument. It went something like that.

 

i suspect that kenyan history might be a dry read

 

Steady on. I hope to be one of those one day ;-)

 

the only math i've used since i've graduated college is simple math i learned by about 5th grade. Science? Never used that since i've graduated.

History gives perspective into whats happening today and Why. How can you understand say the israeli-palestinian conflict if you dont know what happened yesterday?

Dont get me wrong, i'm all for pumping money into science/math, but lets not pretend that they are more useful in everyday life. They arent.

 

The problem is the middle class is shrinking by the hours "not even by the days anymore"

 

It sounds like you want schools to teach only the minimum needed to keep the masses productive. I think that High School should teach as much as possible. People having unnessesary knowlege is a good thing.

 

I certainly don't think high schools should teach the minimum needed to "keep the masses productive." I'm just curious what people think about the argument I presented, which is saying that history is bunk, and should only be pursued by people who are interested in it.

 

I think that we are not learning important things in History lessons anymore. Sure, by all means teach about the World Wars, but there is a lot of modern history that should be taught aswell, like the cold war, the Falklands, Viet Nam etc etc

 

Well, you'll never know where you're going if you don't know where you've been.
Yes, I think it's necesarry.