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Discussion in 'Psychedelics' started by ssj3gotenks, Sep 10, 2005.

  1. ssj3gotenks

    ssj3gotenks Member

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    What drugs are ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY bad for the body?

    Here's the thing, i will never do meth because meth makes your mouth look disgusting and even worse than that, will make it so you can't feel happy (loss of dopamine and receptors). Crack is bad b/c the only way to do it is to smoke it (which has to be horrible for your lungs and heart). I hear the X and acid are very bad for the brain.

    First, if anything in the above paragraph is false, please clarify. Here are the drugs that i believe are harmless and can be used safely (recreationally), on an ongoing basis. If any of these are not like that please clarify also.

    Dank Weed (when vaporized)
    Oxycontin (nothing but oxycodone)
    Heroin (china white or any other kind that is not full of inpurities)
    Adderall
    Benzos
    Other opiates that do not contain s*** like tylenol, ibu, others) such as demoral, fentanyl, hydromorphone, etc)
    Psylocybin
    barbiturates

    Any answers that are based on fact and not propaganda would be greatly appreciated. Also, if there are other drugs that are safe, even when you regularly, please add. REMEMBER: PLEASE DON'T SAY A DRUG IS BAD FOR YOU PHYSICALLY B/C U CAN OVERDOSE ON IT. ALSO, DO NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT BECOMING DEPENDANT/ADDICTED SINCE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PHYSICAL PROBLEMS - THAT'S MENTAL, OBVIOUSLY.

    Thanks,
    ssj3gotenks
     
  2. deadonceagain

    deadonceagain mankind is a plague

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    every drug has harmfull effects even in low doses... no drug is harmless maybe less harmful, but i think i know what you mean drugs that dont damage the brain and body like alcohol, cocaine, DXM, and PCP would do,but there is no harmless drugs
     
  3. Hikaru Zero

    Hikaru Zero Sylvan Paladin

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    oxycodone and heroin ... I'm not sure if they have any immediately harmful effects, but regardless of whether or not you can stay psychologically unaddicted to the substances, they do produce adverse withdrawal symptoms in everyone, which are harmful to the body.
     
  4. nesta

    nesta Banned

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    same with benzodiazapines. i'm not sure, but i believe benzo withdrawals can even be life threatening at times if you go from being really addicted to trying to quit cold turkey.

    LSD is no more harmful for you than psilocybin.

    amphetamines (adderall is a blend of two forms of dextroamphetamine and two forms of levoamphetamine) can cause a lot of undesirable side effects as well.
     
  5. TheLizardKingMike

    TheLizardKingMike Members

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    LSD and mushrooms can be bad for you mentaly if you don't understand what you're doing or if you don't have a firm grip of reality. But they cause no physical harm to your brain or anything else
     
  6. PLyTheMan

    PLyTheMan Senior Member

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    I wouldn't do OCs or Heroin, thats some heavy shit to get into. I know people who have gotten pretty fucked over with opiates. They are real easy to get addicted to, and not just psychologically.

    I dont think X is too bad for your brain. From what I've read it just releases more Seratonin than you usualy have, so more seratonin gets used up and your super happy. Afterwards theres a lack of seratonin (since all of it got used up while rolling) and people can get depressed because the happy chemical in their brain just isn't there. Seratonin will come back, but it may take a week or so to get to usual levels. As far as brain damage, I dont know if it causes any or not, but I doubt it. I've read a few different angles on it and gotten pretty varied theories on what goes one, but I think its safe to say you'll be happy and healthy if you roll in moderation.

    From what I've gathered, Acid isn't too dangerous for your body or mind, but if you do a lot of it you could have serious mental problems.

    I haven't rolled or dropped 'cid though. The info I got about X I found on Dancesafe.org and some other sites and the info on acid was, well, thats more my general opinion, take it or leave it.
     
  7. Hikaru Zero

    Hikaru Zero Sylvan Paladin

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    Just a comment regarding extacy:

    (1) it does NOT put holes in your brain, but ...

    (2) it does release virtually all of your body's seratonin, and as a result of that, it can have some undesirable physical effects until your body can produce enough to restock it all. It shouldn't be particularly bad, however.
     
  8. Grapefruity

    Grapefruity Sunny Side Up

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    Id say the most damageable drug is meth...Its not only a matter of rotten teeth man...Its a heart destroyer.

    btw X has not been proven to be not neurotoxic!
     
  9. crackforkids

    crackforkids Senior Member

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    pure substances?
    whats on the street?
    addiction?
    habitual use?

    like heroin isnt persay bad for you physically but youll get so caught up in it youll physically/mentally destroy yourself.

    i think meth might be the worst though

    NO NO NO> IT DUsTER> THAT HAS TO BE LIKE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU OR SOMETHING
    and THESE "RESEARCH CHEMICALS", I MEAN COMM"ON "research"
     
  10. deadonceagain

    deadonceagain mankind is a plague

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    i agree heroin isnt bad on the body and mind unless it leads to addiction and poor health and living conditions becuase your addcited other then that it isnt that bad
     
  11. PLyTheMan

    PLyTheMan Senior Member

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    Okay, from my understanding, the idea of brain damage comes from this. After all of your seratonin has been used up and Re-Uptaked and broken down by you MAOs, the re-uptakes keep taking shit up, but theres no seratonin left. Therfore, it starts to take dopamine up instead of seratonin. When the dopamine is broken down by the MAOs, it becomes toxic, or dangerous to you brain in some way. Supposably, taking prozac up to six hours after rolling can prevent it, because the prozac is a SSRI, or Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitor. What it does is fit into the ReUptake and block it off, so the dopamine cant get in there. Taking it before rolling, however, can block the X from being taken up, and then the X will float around doing nothing. Now, I've also seen it claimed that X does zero brain damage, or that the prozac theory is bullshit. All that bit was from a slide show on Dance Safe, which explained it well and I figure Dance Safe would be failrly un biased. Then again, who knows.
     
  12. astroneurologist

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    alcohol
    tobacco

    Agreed. Opiates, provided you don't OD, are not particularly damaging. Addiction/dependency is another issue.

    MDMA might be neurotoxic, though probably no more so then an anoretic such as fen.
    Smart people will load up on antioxidants, avoid over heating, and keep frequency of use low. Post session SSRI might be useful.
     
  13. polymer

    polymer Senior Member

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    deadonceagain: neither is DXM or PCP.

    the verdict still isn't in on Olney Lesions.

    any drug that exacerbates excitotoxic effects has the potential to do real damage; likewise, any drug that excessively suppresses neuronal firing.

    stress and free radical damage (oxidation) actually do more damage to your brain than many of the drugs listed in this thread. it's part of the aging process.

    everything in moderation, folks; everything in moderation.

    (also look up: nootropics. a lot of what you think is damage, can potentially be reversed. the brain is fairly elastic, to some extent)
     
  14. shponglekay

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    What makes MDMA so bad is repeated use. Basically what happens is MDMA causes serotonin and to an extent dopamine to flood the synapses in between your neurons. However, alot of any kind of neurotrasmitter in your synapses is very bad. So with repeated use you keep flooding those synapses which causes damage to your neurons. So in essence they kind of 'burn out' causing extensive neurological damage. Alot of longtime MDMA users report alot of cognitive side effects to heavy MDMA use. This could also be attributed to other drug use aswell.(this maybe where the term burn out came from)
     
  15. polymer

    polymer Senior Member

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    dendrites; it damages the dendrites, not the whole neuron.
     
  16. TheShow

    TheShow Senior Member

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    Ummm, no. Dependence/Addiction can occur both physically and psychologically. Some substances such as opiates carry a high chance of being both physically and psychologically addictive while a stimulant such as cocaine carries a low level of actual physical addiction it carries a high level of pyschological addiction.

    So yes, addiction has A LOT to do with physical problems. The only obvious thing is your lack of understanding about addiction.

    Thanks,
    The Show
     
  17. deadonceagain

    deadonceagain mankind is a plague

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    doesnt matter DXM is harmful because every drug has harmfull effects just because they dont know how bad doesnt mean its not harmful , plus ever seen someone who has done alot of DXM they arnt that bright when if it can be reversed i wouldnt want to be like that for even a short amount of time
     
  18. deadonceagain

    deadonceagain mankind is a plague

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    i agree most of the problem and harmful effects of drugs come from being addicted or doing the drug alot
     
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