Bad Acid

There be a such thing as bad acid the type of acid that makes you hallucinate forever. I'm currently a 17 year old boy in a perminate trip. the colors do not seem to go away and its because I prepaired LSA incorrectly. I wish I had some sort of wicked time machine so that I could go back in time and fix all the dumb mistakes I've made. Its like a thousand points of delicious light sparkling like diamonds in my brain. Then theres the daily star. sometimes I lose my self in the madness and break down into pools of my own sorrow. Can anyone help me?

 

Yes, a doctor, if you have insurance I suggest going.

 

"There be a such thing as bad acid the type of acid that makes you hallucinate forever. I'm currently a 17 year old boy in a perminate trip. the colors do not seem to go away and its because I prepaired LSA incorrectly."

I'm going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just trolling, or some freevibe liar, etc.

You aren't in a permanent trip, if this is real. You have HPPD. Generally not associated with LSA. HPPD will decrease over the months, and eventually go away. Look it up, see a doctor, etc.

Next, don't use the term "acid" interchanged with LSA. "acid" is reserved as a term for the chemical LSD. They're different substances. I'm willing to bet that your mistake was in following some Anarchist Cookbook "acid making" technique, which is really just a shitty LSA extract. If this is the case, make sure you're really tripping and not suffering from some sort of mistake from that terrible extraction. Perhaps you just took far more than you meant to.

Lastly, speaking of real LSD: No, there isn't bad acid. There's acid, there's STRONG hits, and there's other chemicals. If you wish to persue the idea of bad acid further, you'll need to have some references to the chemistry. Only one chemical is LSD. It cannot be bad or good, it is just Lysergic Acid Diethylamide. There is no LSD-24 or LSD-26. LSD was given the number 25 as it was the 25th of ANY ergoline made by hoffman. Each other kind of chemical, like ALD, AL LAD, LSA, etc has a different refernce number.

At woodstock, it was announced that there was bad acid. Or "black" acid. This acid was far, far stronger than most were used to, and severe trips resulted. Many couldn't handle it. There was a writeup by one of the people responsible for laying that acid in some text. I'll look for it.

Lastly, there are other chemicals sold as acid. They'll often be noticable because of their strong taste. These include DOB, DOI, and 5-MeO-AMT most commonly. If you get something other than acid, it is nearly assured to be one of these. DOC will fit as well, but hasn't caught on yet. It probably will. None of these are harmful in themselves, though unpleasant for some. But the real danger comes in the fact that a healthy individual can eat a 10strip of acid without any physical danger. If you eat 10 5-MeO-AMT tabs at 2mg a piece, you might be in for some trouble.

 

I've done typtan like compound I made from seeds of a certain species of plant using metyl ether from hair spray that could explain a bit

 

Man calm down on the chemical procedures lol...

 

You might be suffering from Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder, in which case I highly advise you go see a doctor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder

 

If you find that text let me know, I'd love to read it!


- Stiggy

 

Actually, there are LSD 24 and LSD 26 - Albert Hoffman experimented with I think 50 different forms of LSD, the 25th of which being the one he came back to several years after discovering it.

 

I made acid out of heavenly blue morning glory seeds. The correct way of prepairing LSA is to react the seed pulp with petroleum ether. I fucked up and used ethyl ether from engine starting fluid. I've been tripping full blow hallucinations for about a year now. I looked it up on the internet and I thought I was being real smart because I was high on speed (Adderall mixed salts of single-entity amphetamine product). now I'm fucked, and I do listen to Floyd Floyd is fucking awesome I wear Pink Floyd shirts to school man. LSA is merely crystalized Lysergic Acid, but your right Angerton it is not technically acid because it is crystalized. It loses its acidic properties once it crystalized. What I do know is that it still makes you see the souls of a million fires glow upon the forsaken souls of the minds eye. I think I created a molecule that is more chemically similar to LSD then other forms of LSA. I'll just call it LSE. I know it is much much more potent then typical LSA because A very small amount of the substance will make you trip balls for months. I see trails of colored light come off of my hand whenever I move it. I see trails of colored light come off of everything. Typical LSA Takes about 15 grams of seeds before you will notice any dramatic psychological changes. I used about 4.5 grams. for months to make me trip i did it on several different occasions That small amout is all I ever needed. he first time I did it blotter style on a peice of paper towel! 20 minutes later I saw a star in side of a glowing multi patterned halo of colored light! I did about a gram of seed pulp in one day and the symtoms got lots worse everything picked up glow that hasn't left me yet, and I'm pretty sure its going to stay with me for a while cause it hasn't seemed to have gotten any less vivid not yet anyway, and I've already seen a doctor for my visions. They put me on a medication called Geodon (ziprasidone) that is used in the treatment of schizophrenia as well as psychotic symptoms.



"Thats what you get for pretending the dangers not real" Roger Waters

 

I know what you mean by the diamonds...Real apparent in the day sky? I think theyre cool...But they used to be invasive tome when I smoked pot especially. You could get some meds from a doctor. But those can just make it worst for some.

Its hppd probably.

Theres nothing much to do then not taking drugs and waiting. Or choose to make it worst.

 

Lysergic acid dimethylide is LSD or "acid". You are talking about LSA or lysergic acid amide. Different chemical. Could someone who has done an LSA extraction confirm for me please, is the ether used in that tek really making a new chemical LSE or is it just used as part of the extraction process, in which case this guy is completely clueless of even what he is doing.

 

Gayest thing I ever heard.

 

it's not completely accurate to say that. there are alot of stories evolving arround the number ... it's more supposedy that there is an lvf 23, htk 24, lsd 25, brt 26 ... way of numbers... LSD = LSD ... so lsd 24 doesn't exist according to most things i read about it. but if you have info on it - please share.

 

hehe well...gohth mordern

Be careful with those meds, they make you neutral, and they might just boost the hppd (which doctors dont know shit about), and wait and see the possible effect of pot. I would take 2 puffs of just leaf when i was on risperidone (similar med) and freak out while listening to magical mystery tour cuz it was too intense.

If it doesnt go away, you might just start to dig this change in you. What it did for me.

Fuck those meds, they dont do shit unless you have psychotic symptoms.

 

Quoted from Erowid:
"Hofmann, in his LSD, My Problem Child wrote: 'In 1938, I produced the twenty fifth substance in a series of lysergic acid derivatives: lysergic acid diethylamide, abbreviated LSD-25 ... for laboratory usage.' "

There was something else above that's probably related, but I'm not chemist:

"The earliest syntheses of LSD involved the used of an azide intermediate (the original Hofmann process, 1955), mixed anhydrides with trifluoroacetic anhydride (1956) or sulfuric anhydride (SO3-DMF on the lithium salt, 1959), with the peptide condensation agent N,N'-carbonyldiimidazole (1960), or with the acid chloride as the active intermediate with POCl3, PCl5 or thionyl chloride (1963) or just phosphorus oxychloride (1973). Most methods are faulted due to excessive moisture sensitivity, generation of side-products, or epimerization or inversion at the 8-position carbon to form d-iso-LSD. The POCl3 procedure is clean and fast, and is the preferred process today for the synthesis of a wide variety of substituted lysergamides."

 

"Actually, there are LSD 24 and LSD 26 - Albert Hoffman experimented with I think 50 different forms of LSD, the 25th of which being the one he came back to several years after discovering it."

Perhaps you didn't read my entire post. You needed only read a single sentance further.

"There is no LSD-24 or LSD-26. LSD was given the number 25 as it was the 25th of ANY ergoline made by hoffman. Each other kind of chemical, like ALD, AL LAD, LSA, etc has a different refernce number."

Your quote will save me some time. It spells it out right there:
"I produced the twenty fifth substance in a series of lysergic acid derivatives: lysergic acid diethylamide, abbreviated LSD-25 ... for laboratory usage" in a series of LYSERGIC ACID DERIVATIVES. This means that there were a lot of lysergic compounds made, lsd was the 25th.

as I said, "you'll need to have some references to the chemistry. " You can't just say that there's an lsd-24 without saying WHY. What would the difference in the chemistry possibly be? LSD is a specific structure. If you change it, it isn't LSD.

Time for some examples:
ALD-52 - This is not LSD-52. This is 1-Acetyl-N,N-diethyllysergamide. You change the chemical, and it is not the same chemical. Make sense?
MLD-41
BOL-148
MBL-61
LA-111 (this is LSA)
LAE-32
DAM-57
MLA-74
APA-10

Make sense? These are all Sandoz chems, and the numbers are reference numbers. There were not 74 MLA, it is its reference number.

Erowid:
"Thus, LSD-25 is the diethylamide and was the 25th in the series. The morpholide might have been LSM-34, for instance (we actually have no idea). Another derivative might have been LHE-19, another might have been LMM-35. So there weren't any other LSD-XXs in our current understanding of the Sandoz research.

Therefore, there would have been no LSD-49, and is none now. It is probably a black market marketing gimmick. There might have been an LBA-49, or an LSE-49, or an LLW-49, but no LSD-49."

Hope this clears things up. Your idea is right in part, that it is not the only ergoline sandoz created, but it is the only LSD there ever was and ever will be.

 

GothModernHippy

Ohhh... where to start.
Alright. So you understand that it can't be called acid, but you don't quite understand why. Acid is simply a slang term for LSD. It has nothing to do with it being acidic or freebase... acid as a name at least. You can call something *an* acid or base, but not the name acid.

Next, if you got crystal LSA, it was probably a salt of some sort, rather than base form. Not sure about that, but I guess it isn't really important, but it doesn't seem you used an acid or base.

Finally, you didn't create "a molecule that is more chemically similar to LSD then other forms of LSA." You didn't create a molecule at all. There is no chemical reaction in your procedure. You extracted the plant's chemicals. That's all fine and dandy, but you didn't make a chemcial, and certainly not a new one. There is no LSE, that doesn't even make sense. You could perhaps argue that it was a wonderful clean extraction, and is therefore better than most LSA. Probably also untrue, but at least it isn't outrageously impossible and decieving.

 

The only case of "permanent" tripping I know of is a guy I knew who ate some jimsonweed seeds. Yeah, it fucked him up royally. But that's a different category. Jimsonweed is packed with toxins. I don't know anyone who ended up in a permanent trip from acid or other hallucinogenics, unless they had some sort of underlying condition. I've heard of long-term flashbacks though. I recall reading something years ago that recommended taking large doses of Niacinamide (B3) to alleviate this.

 

brothers i am calling,
from the land of distant doods
were calling on the dragons
and blood drenched evil broods
satan is comming
from a black and stormy sky
so in the name of doodbash
raise yer hammers high!!!!!!!!!!
(insert tasty lick here)


no, that was.............

 

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