Help with DXM Abuser!!

Hey Dr. Bill how are you today my friend?

Anyways,

I have a problem, I have a friend who has been using DXM in syrups and tablets for the past few years, its never been a problem him, but about seven months ago, maybe longer, he descovered how to make/buy Pure DXM powders. After awhile he started selling it by the gram, for 40$ a gram, and lots of people around here bought it (since kedamines 80$ a gram, and cokes 80$-100$ a gram), hes been having me sell it for awhile, and it seems half this town has been geting addicted to it, its a fairly small town (7,000+ people maybe). We have our base of maybe 50 people who always come back for it, and 100+ people who come to get it once in awhile.

But you see my friend has been doing DXM everyday now for almost six months, he has all the money he needs to live from the DXM sales, and welfare, so lately hes tried quiting and hes not been able to, he wont admit himself to rehab, day or in programs. I want him to go to detox and clean himself up but he continues to tell me he learns alot from the drugs and its just like pot is to me as DXM is to him.

What am I going to do about my friend, he is 22 and will die if he keeps going on like this..

 

Wow all that information on this site.....either your lyin or you want to get caught by the po po

 

Nobody knows who he is, its not like we have DEA in canada or somthing.. common... its a poor country..

 

yeh i really wouldnt know what to do with a DXM addiction, i have no idea what compels it to be addictive. i mean, why does he get more? what is the feeling he gets that makes him want more? he will get fucked up if it goes on too long

 

on that note, i recal the days after taking dxm in teh past i had a decent desire to go back, but this dissipated after a few days. perhaps he has the same thing but obviosuly more intense from habitually doing it, but still, all those things go away after a certian point, why dont you convince him to just sell the shit and use the extra money on better drugs

 

His dads a crack head and he swears that DXM is much safer, and I never asked him why he wants to keep doing it, other than when I asked him why he wants to ruin his girlfriends life and make her watch him fucked up everyday (though he doesnt get that bad somedays I cant tell if hes on it or not), and he just told me that she loves him and doesnt care about it.. but I talked to Amber and she really is scared for him, but she says its his life blah blah blah... so I dunno man.. I told him if he doesnt get his shit to gear soon I'll phone up his mother in Vancouver..

 

He's wrong about comparing pot to DXM. That's the main thing he needs to know, because that idea is probably the thread that's holding his denial/self-justification intact. He needs to know that pot is natural, and DXM is not.. DXM has sent many people to the emergency room, while pot hasn't, ever. He also needs to know that ANYTHING can be psychologically addictive if used daily for long enough. Another thing that's important to tell him is that, while he says that he's learning from the drugs, he's not learning a THING if he's never sober for long enough to apply these lessons to life.

 

ty all for you're help, but I really just needed moral help from watching this.. more than to help him.. becuase in the end its his choice.. like I was in Vancouver for rehab for over a month.. but I had to do it myself.. I'm still afraid that its not geting through to him though, I talked to him today at his place and he told me he'd give me free DXM if I would stop bothing him.. but I just left.. I cant take his shit anymore and if he wont smarten up I'm going to stop hanging out with him..

 

DXM is legal so the po po cant do shit

 

damn, thats when you really know its messin with him.

playing the guilt trip and stuff isnt the right way to go. you gotta know why he takes it, why he doesnt stop, and why he thinks its alright to do all the time, without even bringing up negative things. when you bring up negative things, it triggers his mind to defend himself, and in turn can strengthen these defensive beliefs of his over rational ones.

 

DXM is related to the Opiates, so it can, in large quantities, over time, become physically addicive. It is pretty rare, as the effects are so strong that most people simply cannot do it every day. But, if his dad is a crack addict and he has to deal with that shit, he is looking for a place to be a recluse.

Here's the thing. YOU can't change an addict. No one can. The addict has to WANT to quit the drug which is harming him. The definition of "Addicition" is the psychological and phyiscal craving for a drug, and contunual usage of a drug, with the drug causes more problems than it solves. The inability to even SEE that the drug is doing damage, and the inability to stop, even if one does see the drug is doing damage.

He will quit only when he sees what is going on. That may be a long time from now. Some people like Interventions, I personally don't. I don't think, most of the time, they change the mind of the addict.

If his drug abuse is adversely affecting YOU, then you have the obligation to save yourself. My dh had to let a good, old freind go, due to freebase use. The dude just didn't see it, all his problems were someone else's fault and the freebase had changed his personality. (Not for the better.) My dh was really broken up about it, but it is difficult to have a relationship with someone who is so fucked up most of the time, the have no sense of logic. And completely no self awareness.

You'll just have to wait for him to either stop on his own, or hit rock bottom.

I am sorry you are seeing your friend like this. It is sad.

 

Its more like he tried to give it to me becuase he wants me to learn why its so good, Its almost like hes becoming physcotic, he keeps telling me that if I drop a whole gram, my perspective on life would change and I would realize why DXM is a cure not a cancer.. I dunno man.. I've knowen this guy since I was in kiddy school... This isnt what I expected to happen..

 

A GRAM of DXM? Anybody who SUGGESTS that somebody drop a GRAM of DXM on a whim is off his rocker.

 

meh, i've done it before.. well, 30 some milligrams short, but still... its just uber intense... i would tell anyone that thinks they can handle it to do it. if you know you'll be able to handle it, you will. if you think you'll have a psychotic break and claw out your eyes, you will. its all in your head.

 

DXM realy isnt related to opiates the molecules look similar but other then that they are in no way related, also DXM has not been proven to be physically addictive, there is one case that is still being debated that weither or not there was physical addicition

 

i thought that the body becomes tolerant to dxm after 50 some does... but maybe with that high of a dose the body doesnt... idk trying a gram sounds pretty tight.... i couldnt do that day in and day out tho

 

I dont want to drop a gram. I've done 500mg then 6 hours later droped another 500mg, then ate 2 gel-caps with pure MDMA in them. Thats the most I'm good for..

 

'its almost like hes becoming psychotic' could be close to the truth for a dissasociative junky. its horrible on the brain, it affects very important pathways, particularly those integrating data into your conscious, the link between you and reality is effected by dissasociatives, and it could account for some radical irational oppinions/behaviors. but has this guy tried all other drugs? finally settled on dxm?

 

dxm i thought was pretty cool, but not the coolest thing i have ever done, and it certinally didnt change my perspective on life... but then again ive hung safely round the 400mg range... a gram would be crazy, but id try nething once

 

i don't see how dxm can be so addicting, but everyones got their poison...