There is no such thing as 'GBLT Community'

Its a False Description.
Its an Artificial Premise.
Its not a 'Real thing' to put it that way.

This is not a case where Im playing a 'Definition game' or trying to split-hairs or create some division that doesnt already exist.
There is no GBLT community in any real or meaningful sense.

Right off the top, I would put this in perspective by saying that someone who is into Lesbianism (the 'L' in GBLT) has more in common with me, a heterosexual male than any Gays (the G).
If anything, Gay and Lesbian just about mark the furthest and opposite ends of any sexuality spectrum.
They are not part of a same group and in fact would have absolutely nothing in common compared to say, Lesbians and Heterosexual men.

Take the 'T' in the nonsensical 'GBLT'.
Someone having a sex-change, lets say a man to a woman, would be the first to argue they are not gay or lesbians.
They would argue they are heterosexuals who have been born wrong, physically.
They dont have anything to do with 'Gays' or the other end of the spectrum in 'Lesbians'.

Totally unhelpful category in this bogus 'GBLT' concept.
To put it in perspective, I could just as easily say there is a:
'LTH' Community and 'We Lesbians, Transgendered Female-to-Males and Heterosexual Men are a 'Group' or a type of 'Subculture' to ourselves.
Really.
That would actually make more sense and that is not helpful either.

Its really time to put away these meaningless and artificial groupings and false categories.

Agree?
Comments, suggestions?

 

I think its more of a group of Taboo Sexual choices.

I can easily pick apart BDSM's defention but why not leave it at it's simplest terms Taboo Sexuality

 

This is another good point.
You could just as easily say 'The GBLTBDSM Community'.
I mean, if the argument comes down to saying they all have some 'alternate sexuality preference' then why not throw in Bondage People too.

And again, if you were to ask some 'T' people, many of them might just as easily argue they are NOT interested in any taboo sexuality and that once 'gender reassigned' they are for all intents and purposes 'typical heterosexuals'.

So yeah, there is no more of a 'GBLT' as any sort of distinct 'anything' than you could group any handful of sexual fetishes together and have about as meaninful a description.

 

The GBLT and BDSM community go hand in hand alot of times

and BDSM has more to do then Bondage

 

I've never thought of it that way before. There's a lot of truth to this.

But I don't think "Taboo Sexual Choices" is a good choice of words. It implies quite a bit of alienation, which won't help us to get these sexual choices assimilated into complete tolerance. I know, that will take a while anyway, probably won't happen in our lifetime, but is there a better term?

 

Your right, I just couldn't think of anything else that early in the morn ya know? I like learning about "taboo" things so I guess I never really stop and think about how it can be interpted.

 

i agree with you all and i think that however through the taboo sexual choices we find ways to relate to one another in ways that we are unable to with straight people

 

Hmmm, being gay or lesbian is a "sexual fetish..." that's news to me. Maybe it is a fetish to some sex-starved, dehydrated wanker with his stash of internet porn, trying to figure out his own sexual orientation all the while the NARTH homepage is tabbed so that he can get support while he is feeling "weak". Seems to me if there isn't an LGBT community there's much more of a chance there is someone like the person described above. Hell, he could have even started this topic!

 

You act as though it were a community for people to come together and talk about things like "Oh, so and so is SOOOO hot!" If this were the case, then yes, I'm sure you would find more in common with a lesbian than a gay man would.

But this is not the case. Gays and Lesbians are both homosexual; they share the same situation in society, such as facing discrimination among certain groups and having to deal with unrequited love or lust. There is more to talk about between gays and lesbians than who they are physically attracted to.

 

I would not agree that Gays and Lesbians have similar experiences based on their sexual interests and lifestyles.
Even further away from any commonality - I dont think transgendered people are even near the same experiences as either the above.

And again, if the only unifying experience is how the rest of society treats their sexual choices?
Then you can just as easily put those into BDSM, Swingers and really you can make just as good an argument that those who are Celibate should be in there.
Celibacy is something treated with a lot of suspicion or disapproval maybe, or just thought of as 'Weird'.

I think the point is that if you are going to create a 'group' or 'subculture' based on alternate sexual preferences then there is no good reason to stop at 'GBLT' as if that combination is unified or unique to itself.

Bogus concept i say.

 

No LGBT community? If there isn't, there ought to be one! To a degree, this thread could be considered a part of that community.

Yes, lesbians and gay men and bisexuals and transgendered people have different concerns and issues. At the same time, all of these people have been known to unite for a common purpose.

Not all that long ago, there were states in the USA that forbade sexual activity between members of the same sex. These laws affected lesbians and gay men and bisexuals and transgendered people, so the work to repeal such laws was carried out by all of us. Even today, discrimination in accommodation and employment persists and affects all of us. Not all same-sex couples can marry. It is only reasonable that all four of these groups would work together politically in a mutual struggle for justice.

A heterosexual man might perceive some commonality with a lesbian in their mutual attraction to women. However, I'm not sure that all lesbians would feel the same way. A heterosexual man can feel commonality with a gay man if they have similar religious or political beliefs, do the same sort of work, have the same hobbies, or are working together on some common local issue. It's all a matter of the limits the people involved choose to put on themselves.

There are LGBT people who find common cause with people with BDSM interests; the two groups overlap, just as there is overlap between BDSM interests and heterosexuality. Different people will identify "community" in different ways for different purposes.

Is a transgendered person gay? It is a question of definition. Consider a woman who is trapped in a man's body. If she is attracted to a man, is she gay because she inhabits a male body? If she is attracted to woman, isn't she a lesbian trapped in a man's body? Either way, she's got some same-sex attraction issues. I don't completely understand her struggles, but I am sympathetic. Many people in that situation spend time with gay people. We tend to be more sympathetic and we share some issues.

As long as there are people who insists that LGBT people should be treated differently from everyone else, there will be a need for us to work together. It's a political construct more than a social sort of community.

 

Uh, excuse me, but I'm omnisexual and happen to fit into this 'T' category... The first (and only, thus far) relationship I was in was with a woman. Granted, I wasn't out at that time, but I truly loved her; it was essentially a lesbian relationship.

Also, you seem to have conveniently forgotten intersexed people (GLBTI).

 

See, this is exactly the kind of crap I was talking about.

 

Eramus do you like it when people come over to the Christianty boards and go "GOD IS FEMALE HATING MOFO WHO LIKES TO KILL INNOCNET PEOPLE?"


No?


Well I'm sure people the GBLTI community don't like you calling their life style "crap" etc etc.

 

This is very real . Matter of fact i have seen it . from sports to soldiers . in most instances is far more important than anything alse . example = picture 6 guys working on a special project 3 are straight 3 are gay and some macho guy with a totally difrent hoobie or profesional degree walks in and start to blah is mouth in matter of seconds he would become the outcast . see once you share the same ideas everything alse is irrelative . and with no external pressure this guys are bonded for life . same thing would happen with difrent race or even sex .

 

Without wishing to side with Erasmus here, what is the distinction between Trans and Inter? I've seen Q (for Questioning, apparently) added, but at my old uni they kept it as LGB, on the perhaps slightly flippant grounds that there weren't any Ts on campus. A name is only a label though, and I doubt anyone who is Intersexual, Pansexual, Omnisexual or Questioning would feel unduly ostracised by the term LGBT. Maybe I'm completely wrong, but if the organisation/community provides for the person's needs, I'd say that's more important than what it's called.

I see where Erasmus is coming from; that LGBT pretty much refers to "alternative sexuality", and that it makes sense to include all kinds of alternative sexuality within it. I don't quite see what difference it makes though. I've never encountered any LGBT organisation that even specified you had to be homosexual or transgendered to join. Straight people tend not to join them because they don't get much out of them. A lot of gay and trans people don't either. (The one I went to was "let's list terms of homophobic abuse" every week; needless to say I excelled in it, but I didn't feel challenged so I stopped going). I think a lot of people do get something out of those kinds of groups, and feeling that they are in a non-judgemental environment. It's comparable to a faith group in the function that it provides for them.

I'm avoiding issues such as gay bars and LGBT websites because I feel they're a different matter altogether. A rant on that subject is available on request, but you've all heard it and it's not very interesting.

 

Pretty much what I wanted to say. The downside of a lot of LGBT community projects is that they bring together people who, aside from a vague idea of alternative sexuality, have very little in common, and would probably never even meet in any other context, let alone spend any time together.

 

People do exactly that all the time.
Usually your the first one to be 'high fiving' them too.

Ok.. lol.. that made me laugh a bit.
Nice lol!

 

No uesly I high five the people that try to answer the questions with out "F**** YOU SON OF A B**** MORONIC RETARED F**** HEADS''

 

Is your computer broken or something?