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Islam oppresses women.

 

Aristartle​

irrelevant and not true​

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Why a nun can be covered from head to toe and she is respected for devoting her self to God?​

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But when Muslimah does the same she oppressed and they are reactionary!​

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Cat Stevens
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Isnt it more like this?

 

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Accordingly you will find some Muslims who don't let their wives to show their faces just like the former Arab, the point is, it is up to her, but some woman their families don't let him to do so, not Islam.
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Islamic women are oppressed because their gender relates to their role as a practicing Islamic woman. She must devote herself to charity, and can be one of many wives.

 

kk thanks for showin me the light, i didnt know that before i thought it was written into their religion or sumthayng.

but yea what about that many wives thing? thats fucked.

 

Actually, that's kinda hot in a GI Joe Snake Eyes kind of way.

 

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What do you exactly mean?

exactly like Christianity and Judaism , that's because the God of the Torah and Gospel and Quraan is one and the same God:
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There is no record of Prophet Jesus opposing polygamy. If he did so, it would have meant that the condemned the practice of the prophets before him. There are a number of examples of polygamous marriages among the prophets recorded in the Torah.
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Prophet Abraham had two wives, according to Genesis: 16:13: ''So after Abraham had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, Sarai. Abraham's wife , took Hagar the Egyptian, her maid, and gave her to Abraham her husbandas a wife".
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So did Prophet David, according to the first book of Samuel27:3: " And David dwelt with Achish at Gat, he and his men, every man with his household, and David with his two wives, Ahin'oam of Jezreel, And Abigail of Carmel, Nabal's widow''
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In the Kings 11:3:Solomon is said to have ''… had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines"
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Solomon's son, Rehobo'am ,also had a number of wives, according to 2nd Chronicles 11:21: " Rehobo'am loved Ma'acah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and concubines (he took eighteen wives and sixty concubines, and had twenty-eight sons and sixty daughters).
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In fact the Torah specified laws regarding the division of inheritance in polygamous circumstances.
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In Deuteronomy 21:15-16: the law states: 15:if a man has two wives , the one loved and the other disliked, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the disliked, and if the first-born son in hers that is disliked,16:then on the day when he assigns his possessions as an inheritance to his sons, he may not treat the son of the loved as the first-born in preference to the son of the disliked, who is the first-born''
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the only restriction on polygamy was the ban on taking a wife's sister as a rival wife in Leviticus 18:18: '' And you shall not take a woman as a rival wife to her sister, uncovering her nakedness while her sister is yet alive''
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The Talmud advises a maximum of four wives as the practice of prophet Jacobè (Women in Judaism,page:148)
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According toFather Eugene Hillman,'' Nowhere in the New Testament is there any explicit commandment that marriage should be monogamous or any explicit commandment forbidding polygamy è(Polygamy Reconsidered.page:140) He further stressed the fact that the Church in Rome banned polygamy in order to conform to Greco-Roman culture which prescribed only one legal wife while tolerating concubinage and prostitutionè (Ibid.page:17),
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Islam limited polygamy to a maximum of four wives with conditions.
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Cat Stevens
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you are more than welcome, read post #10​

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Islamic women are not given the freedom to choose.

They are forced by religion and society to dress like that.

 

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Another irrelevant post, if you live in UK you should follow the law of the UK, if you are a Jew you have to follow Moses' law and so on, well, in Islam Muslim woman should follow the Islamic Law; There are conditions which must be fulfilled for the hijaab or dress to be acceptable. a) it should not show the shape of the woman's body, b) it should not be made of a material which reveals what is underneath...maybe I will write a thread about this with more details and about the women in Islam, and of course there are reasons, benefits and wisdoms beyond the Islamic Laws for the man, woman and society.​

Again, According to Islam, Allah told us that he revealed the Torah to Moses and Gospel to Jesus but men corrupted his word by adding, deleting, changing some words, and writing lies against God, I proved that corruption in my threads and posts, even many Christian scholars admit this fact about corruption in the Bible, also you will find so many similar teachings , verses , Law and commandments between Christianity, Islam and Judaism, that's because the God of them is the same one God, also I wrote threads and posts about these similarities, however, ​

The women around Jesus (PBUH) veiled themselves according to the practice of the women around the earlier prophets. Their garments were loose and covered their bodies completely, and they wore scarves which covered their hair.

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'' And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she alighted from the camel. 65: and said to the servant, ' who is the man yonder, walking in the field to meet us?' The servant said, ' it is my master.' So she took her VAIL and COVERED HER SELF.''

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Paul wrote in his first letter to the Corinthians, '' 5:But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head UNVIEILED DISHONOURS HER HEAD- it is the same as if her head were SHAVEN.6:for if a woman will not VEIL HERSELF, then she SHOULD CUT OFF HER HAIR; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, LET HER WEAR A VEIL.''

Some may argue that it was the general custom of those times to be completely veiled. However, that is not the case. In both Rome and Greece, whose cultures dominated the region, the popular dress was quite short and revealed the arms, legs and chest. Only religious women in Palestine, following Jewish tradition, covered them selves modestly.

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According to Rabbi Dr. Menachem M. Bryer (Professor of Biblical Literature at Yeshiva University),it was customary that Jewish women went out in public WITH A HEAD-COVERING which, sometimes, even COVERED THE WHOLE FACE, LEAVING ONLY ONE EYE FREE.(*)

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He further stated that '' during the Tannaitic period, the Jewish woman's failure to cover her head was considered an effort to her modesty.When her head was uncovered she might be fined four hundred zuzim for this offence.''(**)

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The famous early Christian theologian, St. Tertullian (d. 220 CE), in his famous treatise, ' On The Veiling of Virgin' wrote, '' Young women, you wear your veils out on the streets, so you should wear them in the church;YOU WEAR THEM WHEN YOU ARE AMONG STRANGERS, then wear them among your brothers…'' Among the Canon laws of the Catholic church until today, there is a law that requires women TO COVER THEIR HEADS IN CHURCH.(***)
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Christian denominations, such as theAmishand theMenonitesfor example, keep their women VEILED TO THE PRESENT DAY.
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(*): The Jewish Woman in Rabbinic Literature, p.239.

(**): Ibid. p. 139.

(***): Clara M. Henning, '' Canon law and the Battle of the Sexes,'' in Religion and Sexism, p.272.
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Note: Muslim women don't have to cover her self all the time And in front of all people I will discuss it in more details someday.​

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

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The difference is that in a christian-dominated society, women aren't forced to wear a burka or a hijab. Although the Hijab does owe it's roots in early christian/jewish traditions, and the Burka (along with the sequestering of wives in houses) is largely a cultural tradition picked up by the byzantines and the egyptians. (both christian at the time).

Cultural mores about 'modesty' and 'dress' are really fluid and diverse, but you can understand how the very independent (socially, americans are very independence-minded) west could interpret the harsh (by our standards) punishment for not obeying silly or barbaric (again, by our standards) treatment of women.

I know it's largely a cultural more, but it's wrong (in my opinion, everything I write is...) in any time, place, or religion to stone someone to death, or to decapitate them publicly...

 

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In Islam woman can work, go out, etc, regarding Burka or covering the face read this post
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As long as he is a Muslim there is a covenant that he should respect it ,as long as he is a Muslim that means he has to follow the Islamic laws (constitution) and he will be punished according to the Islamic Law if he will break one of its law, but if he will repent or broke it ignorantly then this is another issue.
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Here is the Christians and Jews Law, regarding blasphemy (the same one God)
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Deuteronomy 13. 2, 5:
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whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods…shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
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Deuteronomy 13. 6-9:
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If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathersNamely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die;because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.
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And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, heshall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast.And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbor; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him;Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: andhe that killeth a man, he shall be put to death.Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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I hardly see how cultural standards of dress are any form of real oppression (this doesn't mean I think these women are treated as equals to men, but that their dress is the least of things to be upset about). I really don't like the polygamy thing, though it wouldn't bother me if women could have how ever many husbands they wanted like men can have wives (of course I dunno any woman that would want mutiple husbands anyways lol). I definitely think there are equality issues between men and women but I think that is changing, and will continue to change.

Thanks, cat, for showing us that there are muslims out there that will condemn violent acts commited in their religion's name, and who are willing to try and explain to us what the muslim religion is about. I think that anyone who is so willing to accept that Islam is all about violence would have to accept that our western religion is not so different. The reality is that the general population practicing this religion are just normal old folks just trying to live their lives the best they can. They are no different (and perhaps more disciplined) than your average christian. There are extremeists in every religion, and if you want to make the religion out to be bad for it then you need to hold those same standards for christianity, and other religions as well.

 

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You are more than welcome dear sister Sera I Thank YOU deeply and strongly for reading my threads, that means you are giving me the chance to clarify and that you're listening to me, thank you again, may Allah bless you, Amen.​

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may you Allah, my lord bless her, bless her tongue, bless her life Amen.​

Peace and love

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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See, people, this guy is asking his god to BLESS me, and I am an no-god believing, jeans and tank-top wearing, technology loving, non-praying, equal rights preaching, skeptical and cynical westerner that is not a practicing muslim of any sort. The way some of you talk (not anyone particular on this thread, but I have seen it before) every muslim would want to lob off my head because of who I am, but this muslim here just asked for his god to bless me. A christian hasn't even given me that in over a decade, and I have a christian family and live in a christian society.

 

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If you aren't Muslim even if you are an atheist, that's totally up to you, that's what Allah commanded us in Quraan that to not force anyone to believe in a anything,
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Quraan: There is no compulsion in religion.
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Quraan: And say: "The truth is from your Lord." Then whosoever wills, let him believe, and whosoever wills, let him disbelieve.
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Quraan: ''… your duty is only to convey (the Message), and on us is the
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Reckoning.'' ''Then, if they turn away, your duty is only to convey (the message), in a clear way'''' So remind them, for you are but a remembrancer. You are not a dictator on them '' '' you are not at all a warder over them''
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Allah commanded us to respect others religions and others Gods:
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Quraan: And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allâh
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Say (O Muhammad) to the believers to forgive those who (harm them and) hope not for the Days of Allâh (i.e. His Recompense), that He may recompense people according to what they have earned (i.e. to punish these disbelievers, who harm the believers). Whosoever does a good deed, it is for his ownself, and whosoever does evil, it is against (his ownself). Then to your Lord you will be made to return…
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Well, it is better to pray to them instead of hate them; the disbelievers at the time of the prophet harmed him and hurt him, …I have experienced from thy people and the hardest treatment I met from them was what I received from them on the day of 'Aqaba…So I departed with signs of (deep) distress on my face. I did not recover until I reached Qarn al−Tha'alib. Where I raised my head, lo! near me was a cloud which had cast its shadow on me. I looked and lo! there was in it the angel Jibril (Gabriel) who called out to me and said.: Allah. The Honored and Glorious, has heard what thy people have said to thee, and how they have reacted to thy call. And He has sent to thee the angel in charge of the mountains so that thou mayest order him what thou wishest (him to do) with, regard to them. The angel in charge of the mountains (then) called out to me, greeted me and said: Muhammad, Allah has listened to what thy people have said to thee. I am the angel in charge of the mountains. and thy Lord has sent me to thee so that thou mayest order me what thou wishest. If thou wishest that I should bring together the two mountains that stand opposite to each other at the extremities of Mecca to crush them in between, (I would do that). But the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) said to him: I rather hope that God will produce from their descendants such persons as will worship Allah, the One, and will not ascribe partners to Him. è(Sahih Muslim)It has been narrated on the authority of 'A'isha, the wife of the Prophet (may peace be upon him), who said to the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him): Messenger of Allah, has there come upon you a day more terrible than the day of Uhud.
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Quraan: He (the father) said: "Do you reject my gods, O Ibrahim (Abraham)? If you stop not (this), I will indeed stone you. So get away from me a long while!" Ibrahim (Abraham) said: "Peace be on you! I will ask Forgiveness of my Lord for you. Verily! He is … Ever Most Gracious. And I shall turn away from you and from those whom you invoke besides Allah.
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Quraan: And the (faithful) slaves of the Most Beneficent (Allah) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the ignorant address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness
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Matthew5.44: …Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
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Quraan: you shall speak to menè( men= mankind, whether believers or disbelievers) good words and keep up prayer…
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(Sahih Bukhari) Narrated Asma' bint Abu Bakr: My mother came to me, hoping
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for my favor) during the lifetime of the Prophet (her mother was a disbeliever and Asma became a Muslim) asked the Prophet, "May I treat her kindly?"He replied, "Yes." Ibn 'Uyaina said, "Then Allah revealed: 'Allah forbids you not with regards to those who fought not against you because of religion, and drove you not out from your homes, that you should show them kindness and deal justly with them, Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity. Quraan: But if they (both, the disbeliever parents) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not, but behave with them in the world kindly
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that is good is a Sadaqa i.e. Charity"
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(Sahih Bukhari)Narrated Abu Musa Al−Ash`ari: The Prophet said, "On every
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Muslim there is enjoined (a compulsory) Sadaqa (alms)." They (the people) said, "If one has nothing?' He said, "He should work with his hands so that he may benefit himself and give in charity." They said, "If he cannot work or does not work?" He said, "Then he should help the oppressed unhappy person (by word or action or both)." They said, "If he does not do it? "He said, "Then he should enjoin what is good (or said what is reasonable).' They said, "If he does not do that''' He said, "Then he should refrain from doing evil, for that will be considered for Him as a Sadaqa (charity) . "
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(Sahih Bukhari) The Prophet said: a good word is a charity.
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(Sahih Bukhari) Allah's Apostle said "O`Aisha! Allah loves kind and lenient in all matters."
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(Sahih Bukhari) Narrated Abu Shuraih: The Prophet said, "By Allah, he does not
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believe! By Allah, he does not believe! By Allah, he does not believe!" It was said, "Who is that, O Allah's Apostle?" He said, "That person whose neighbor does not feel safe from his evil."
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believes in Allah and the Last Day should not harm his neighbor, and anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should entertain his guest generously and anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should talk what is good or keep
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The good deed and the evil deed cannot be equal. Rebel (the evil) with one which is better (i.e. Allah orders the faithful believers to be patient at the time of anger, and to excuse those who treat them badly) then verily he, between whom and you there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a close friend. But none is granted it (the above quality) except those who are patient (i.e. who exercise patience and self restraint)…
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{The merciful are shown mercy by the All-Merciful. Show mercy to those on earth, and Allah will show mercy to you.}
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Quraan: … And had you been severe and harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about you; so pass over (their faults) and ask (Allah's) forgiveness for them
Quraan: truly, Allah is with those who fear him (keep their duty to Him) and those who are Muhsinun (good-doers)
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Peace and love

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It took me a while to realise you WAS muslim...hahahahah bit slow.. ​

I just thought you liked adding portions of the Koran to support your POV... So the answer is YES i would write the same things if you was or wasn't a muslim.. Take the chip off your sholder dude.​

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vast amounts of muslim men use it to opress women..and portions of the Koran can support this action.​

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vast amounts of muslim men don't use it to opreess women.. and portions of the Koran can support this action.​

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vast amounts of muslim women happily wear the hijab and you have guessed it .. portions of the Koran can support this action.​

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Personaly i think it is a little strange woman cover themselves so much .. i do think it is male ego driven.. but i guess in certain times english ladies were 'forced' or 'obliged' or whatever word you wish to use.. to cover up and protect their modesty.. Not saying in 100 years muslim ladies will be wearing low rider jeans and g-strings.. or prancing around with hardly any clothes on..but i DO believe it will be a less of a stigma NOT to wear such amount of clothing...​

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CS.. where in the Koran does it say ''Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!''​

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To me thats '' i ant listening to anything that contradicts what i think'' now that IS ''sad loser style'' ​

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