My country disgusts me

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Socratez, Mar 10, 2006.

  1. Socratez

    Socratez Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    Well, its been weeks since Canada was taken over by a new conservative government. As of now, we have seen Canadian soldiers die in Afghanistan… We’ve seen our new dictator shrug off any ethical practices, and start putting his friends into power.. I’ve been nauseated to hear military people in the news say they will find their enemies and destroy them… If our troupes die… screw them… I don’t care. You’re an idiot for signing up for a job that may require you to murder babies… Screw our new government, and screw the idiots that fell for the lies (like the brainless sheep they are), and voted them in.



    We’ve been told people will start getting arrested for possessing weed (a plant)… as this is such a horrid thing… but… people will loose their children fighting the Taliban (as if we belong there)… am I missing something? I just want to leave… I’m sick of it all.. sick of Americanized culture, and living among the brainless new bible thumping retarded nation. Harper can take his %1 GST cut, and shove it up his ass… I don’t want it.. and I don’t think I want to live here anymore either.



    Peace all… I’m very sorry… just really needed to vent today.



    Socratez
     
  2. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Hate to say it, but WELCOME TO OUR CLUB.

    Canada has joined the US in the Fucking Idiots Club. When the fuck will people EVER learn the Conservatives will do nothing but fuck you over (unless you're rich or a rightwing religious quack--at least here in America).

    I'd have never guessed the progressive Canada (whom I admire) would fall the way of idiocy by the majority.

    I still can't believe that we have 60 million clueless or just plain careless people in the US. It's baffling!
     
  3. scratcho

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    Yeah--too bad.I was across Canada in 1970 and found the Canadians to be really friendly and pretty content with their lot .Exept in Quebec.Had a great time and always thought I'd like to live there.
     
  4. Pumpkin Eater

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    You people are the idiots. Calling an elected official who is his first term of office a dictator = stupid. Calling anybody who voted conservative an idiot for having an alternate view point = stupid. Saying screw the troops who joined to protect you country just because you dont agree with the war = stupid. Complaining that people will lose children in Afghanistan after saying "screw the troops" = stupid. Calling America stupid because a large percentage are Christians = stupid. Saying you don't want a tax cut = stupid. Calling Canada a progressive nation despite glaring limitations of free speach = stupid. Believing that all conservatives want to "fuck you over" = stupid.

    You aren't stupid for having a liberal point of view. You are stupid for believing that everyone else are just retarded monkey fucks. Fucking grow up.
     
  5. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Supporting religious conservatism which has been for the oppression of everyone but the Rich White Religious Male= STUPID.
     
  6. yovo

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    The Liberals made the choice for this deployment, ages and ages before the election. If anyone here is showing a lack of ethics it's the liberals, for turning the elevated level of violence in Afganistan into a point of partisan hackery for the new government, when they knew full well what the troops would be facing. General Hillier, our Chief of Defence staff(the least political, and most professional soldier we've had filling the post in well over a decade), has been warning Canadians for nearly a year now that our relocation to Kandahar from Kabul would bring with it a more combative role.

    Your contempt and ignorance of our men and woman in uniform, and the jobs they perfrom completely disgusts me. I'd try to explain it all to you but seeing as you've already stooped to the baby killer comment you'd likely just call me a war hawk.
     
  7. Pointbreak

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    So you think that reglious conservatism in Canada oppresses everyone, yet you complain that we shouldn't be helping the democratically elected government of Afghanistan defend itself from the Taliban?

    Clueless.
     
  8. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    We Shall Overcome!

    Liberal/Progressive values will eventually push out the dinosaurs.

    You've just got to keep the pressure on.

    Remember the Civil Rights movement wasn't won in a day.
     
  9. Pumpkin Eater

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    I am a fiscal conservative not a religious one. Glad to confirm I am not stupid.
     
  10. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Only a Fiscal Conservative? That's nice.

    Please elaborate. (Just for the hell of it!)

    Do you support welfare for the poor?
    Do you support paying taxes?
    Do you support healthcare for all citizens?
    Do you support Medicare?
    Do you support Medicaid?
    Do you support Social Security?
    Do you support any Foreign Aid?

    Do you believe that CEOs making sure thousands go jobless and without pensions because they decide to "pull an Enron" are worse than someone who lives on $400 a month welfare?

    Do you believe that a single mother of two (whose husband left her), who works two jobs and raises a family should just "pull herself up by the bootstraps" and save more money when she already lives from pay check to pay check?

    Do you believe that if this mother was even ABLE to save and ONE MEDICAL EMERGENCY came and wiped out her meager savings, that she is to blame and should just die because she doesn't have insurance or enough to afford medical care?
     
  11. yovo

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    Being fiscally conservitive does not neccessarily equate to being heartless nor does it mean being a bum buddy to big bussiness.

    I think I would have to classify myself as a fiscal conservitive, in the sense that I do not believe having a large centralised beurocracy or throwing vast amounts of money at a problem solves much, it's often nothing more than a band-aid solution and can even have the tendency to compound the problem. I believe in preventitive solutions at the community level when it comes to helping thsoe in need. Our tax dollars need not travel to Ottawa, only to be lost in a quagmire of inaffective systematic institutions on the return trip home. The problems are in our own backyard and we can pay out less to solve them here and now rather than from far away and later on.

    As things stand our municipal governments hold little to no power beyond matters of a completely trivial nature and when they try to assert a little self-determination they're shot down by the next level of governance. Here in my hometown, for example, the municipal government rejected Walmarts proposal to open a franchise, Walmart went to the provincial government and had the decision over turned. Now when wall-mart opens up, local bussiness go under, folks are forced into wage-slavery and the money is essentially sucked right out of the community who will step in to provide the social security net? The Provincial and Federal levels of government of course, rightfully so I suppose, paying out the arse to make up for a problem they created!

    The Federal government in my mind should not be worrying so much about what it's spending on as to what it's legislating. They are the keepers and shapers of our society and it is with-in there authority to regulate how big-bussness operates in its borders, because lets face it, the real power to contend with here is that of the economy. Rather than spending endlessly to clean up the mess left behind from cut and run capitolism they need to demand sustainable, healthy, socially just practices from big-bussness. As the need to invest in band-aid soluctions is reduced so is the need for tax revenu. Where do the tax cuts go? Well currently to the fat cats, but who's to say tax-cuts can't be an entirely progressive means of persuasion for the type of economy and bussiness we want. Tax cuts and incentives to foster a 'green' economy and 'green' jobs (renewable energies, organic agriculture, etc). If there is money to be made, it will be made, and if you create the conditions for an idea to prosper it will prosper on its own.

    My point basicly is that the fundementals of fiscal conservency are not inherintly currupt, they are just employed by those who are currupt to further thier curruption. Hate the player, not the game ;)
     
  12. Libertine

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    I think you and I could pretty much agree, but I have more of problem with the "trickle down" theory.
     
  13. Socratez

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    Yavo:



    I wouldn’t call you a war monger... nor will I accept this type of government...



    I live here to man.. I know the liberals were corrupt... most of us did for years. This was not something new that just fell out of the sky.



    The thing we all really knew was even with their level of corpulent... it was always the lesser of the two evils.. NDP had no chance (esp after Bob Rae), and who knows why the other parties are even listed... So we went with liberals to control the conservatives..



    As for the other comments... I won't call you a "war hawk"... but the Canada I use to believe in (key word use to) - was not about combat and generals.. it was about a more peiceul life...



    Anyhow, sorry, its not my country anymore... I just live here.



     
  14. Aristartle

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    I agree with Yovo - I think the Canadian soldiers have a place in Afghanistan. They are working with UN troops as well as other countries and are asked to be there by the Afghani government.

    A few soldiers have died, that is a terrible shame but the work they are doing over there is incomparable to what is going on in Iraq for example.
     
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