Conservatism Should Die, So That Peace & Justice Might Live

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Libertine, Mar 10, 2006.

  1. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Conservatives are consistantly pushing a huge tax cut. They WANT for the government to have less money because, in their minds, public education and programs to feed low-income mothers and their children are rewarding the undeserving. If there's no money to pay for public education, school diversion programs, halfway houses and other social services, then the government can cut them by default.

    The really beautiful side of tax-cuts is that when you cut federal, state, county and municipal social services to the poor, that leaves the churches to pick up the slack. So churches can now get federal assistance from HUD with a building project as long as they claim part of its function is for social services. Along with a desperately needed meal, and money to pay the heating bill, disadvantaged people also get peer pressure to participate in religious programs they don't want for themselves or their children.

    Conservatives want to eliminate or cut funding for low-income medical services, Legal Aid Corporation and federal school lunch programs, among others. Paternalism is about punishment. The Republican euphemism for it is "tough love." We've seen the tough part, now where's the love?

    When they are not busy trying to cut social programs, you can find Conservatives playing Big Brother. With more of their paternalistic tendencies to govern morality and undermine civil liberties in the name of "security" or "morality".

    The most profane and cynical breach of trust has been the brazen use of the 9/11 tragedy to undermine and discard many of our constitutional protections of speech and liberty in the name of fighting terrorism. Any reporter or lawmaker who dares to question the methods of Patriot Acts I and II is subjected to character assassination, with charges of aiding and abetting the enemy. By extension that makes them "enemy combatants" and subject to spending the rest of their life in the brig without any hope of seeing a lawyer or their families again. Junior and Ashcroft are fighting terrorism by modeling our justice system after the broken countries we're trying to fix.

    War has been a political tool of diversion for centuries. For generations, dictators have waged war to distract attention away from domestic problems, and to create a need for more military funding. When you rally America around a despised foreign enemy, we tend to forget about our problems at home.

    Conservatives want the government off the backs of big business and into the uteruses of women, the bedrooms of "sodomites", the emails/phone calls of dissenters, and the cultural/political decisions of other nations.

    We need Conservativism to die out, so we can finally progress to higher level of evolution. :)

    PS. It will be very surprising if the Conservatives who respond here go for the social issues. Mostly they want to argue the economic only because they don't want to look like Jerry Falwell. ;)
     
  2. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    politics should die. not just conservatism. but obviously that's impossible
     
  3. flmkpr

    flmkpr Senior Member

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    great post! it brings many quetions into mind that i have had for yrs. like corprate subsidies vs. social programs, it appears to me that the tax payers are bolstering corporations that are taking jobs hence money out of the u.s. and to pay for this loss is cutting social programs and eccelerating the decline of affordable health care,living wages, education, and the longterm health of our economy! i often wonder what would happen if these corporate subsidies were cut rather than the latter, would we have a more educated scociaty? a more caring healthcare industry ? less disparity of rich and poor? a more compassionat and peacful world as education and compasion be come the norm, rather than intolarence and greed?
     
  4. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Hey, what part of East Tn. are you from?

    Near Gatlinburg, perhaps?
     
  5. flmkpr

    flmkpr Senior Member

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    naw further east as far as you can get!! 30mi north of boone nc.
     
  6. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    Liberalism will prevail and conservatism will perish. Liberalism always win, it did during the slavery debate, it did during the women rights movement, it did during the civil right movement and it will again and again.


    Aristotle: "Of all the varieties of virtues, liberalism is the most beloved."
     
  7. Interesting about these tax cuts. I don't know how it works in America but in Australia we have to adjust our tax rates every few years according to inflation rates. So whatever party in power can give the public a so called "tax cut" and they buy it, because the public know nothing about economics.

    As much as conservatives deny it....white lies are generally the norm for a conservative government...or in recent years, flat out lies.
     
  8. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    Sorry to go off topic, but are YOU near Gatlinburg? I spent my childhood summers up there and around the chimneys. Beautiful place.


    As for your original post...dead on Libertine. You'll hear no argument from me there.
     
  9. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Yes, I am.

    I am 90 miles south of it.

    I go there 2 or 3 times a year.
     
  10. Leopold Plumtree

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    Both sides are screwy to me. They deserve each other. :)
     
  11. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    *e-humps Libertine*

    P.S. I heard about your new movie coming out! :->
     
  12. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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  13. Pointbreak

    Pointbreak Banned

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    Same for economic liberalism.
     
  14. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    *shudders*
     
  15. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    I thought Johnny Depp done a damn good job.

    He has become (since Secret Window) one of my favorite actors.
     
  16. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    While I do agree, the majourity of Americans will not vote for a candidate who vows to rise taxes (for whatever reason). That was evident during the 2004 election.

    "Let's let China wrap their fingers around our jugular, it's cool as long as we don't have to pay more" seems to be the mentality of the masses (except I'm pretty sure most of them do not know that Communist China is the biggest lender).

    It's not conservatives that are the problem, its the people.
     
  17. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    You do realize you can be an economic conservative without being a social conservative?
     
  18. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    No, they don't, because many of the people in these forums are TOO DUMB and CONDITIONED to understand that. If it's not reactionary, mindless nonsense, then it's too much to comprehend for many people.

    If people are too DUMB and BRAINWASHED to know that the income tax is a FRAUD (as well as completely UNCONSTITUTIONAL and ILLEGAL), and that their well-earned tax money goes to funding CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, well, so be it. I pity their inability to think critically.
     
  19. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    I hate the term "fiscally conservative or economical conservative" it conveys the meaning liberals are reckless and inept when it comes to handling economic issues. Fiscally conservative is cutting public programs and giving massive tax cuts to the rich and handing out millions and millions to corporations.


    Cutting public programs doesn't make the government weaker or smaller it just hurts people in need. On the other hand, conservative reckless and massive funding for the army is what makes government bigger and powerful.

    Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison
     
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