If you believe in Jesus Christ you should believe this...

I don't want to paste a bunch of stuff on here, but read it for yourself. Jesus was a gnostic, but the zionist jews have portrayed him as a different person. The cathars were followers of gnosticism, which is very similar to Buddhism, but with the belief that we can recognize a suprembe being, but not necessarily worship it. The true enlightenment comes from knowing yourself, the knowledge, the divine spark. Hence the term "know thyself".

The Cathars were followers of gnosticism. They were the first Christians killed by other Christians, branded as heretics because it threatened the power of the priests and authorities in power all over Europe as well as the Pope and the Roman Catholic church. During one such incidence two monks of the Gnostic religion escaped on the side of a mountain side during a raid where tons of Cathars were killed. They supposedly escape with the Holy Grail, which is said to be the blood line of Christ.

..."The Cathars proclaimed there existed within humankind a spark of divine light. This light, or spirit, had fallen into captivity within a realm of corruption — identified with the material world..."

You can find the rest of the text here ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars

This is the link for Gnosticism ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic

 

The zionists Jews portrayed him as a different person...?

So your saying he's not the nice friendly guy the Bible has always talked about?

What do you mean by this?

 

They don't tell you the true roots of Christianity and Jesus's real message. Even they though they don't accept him as a messiah Zionist jews are different from the rest. They want to rebuild Solomon's temple so they can setup a false Messiah, easily influencing Christianity through time to Jesus Christ as a different messiah, and not telling the whole story.

 

Well even if Jesus never existed its a Book where a man preaches story of doing good to fellow man and not being corrupt like the Jewish Preists were selling Forgiveness.

Jesus then was killed after it all because he died for the sins of mankind.

Even if he was portrayed as someone else, the Zionists, his own people, are the ones who had him killed, its, because he said he was for all people and this pissed off the Zionists. So I dont understand what your saying....couldn't they have portrayed him a little better?

Your basically saying they control history...didnt they do a shitty job of it?

 

Nah I think it was more the catholic church changed the figure of jesus. With the zionists only deforming it more later on once they came up with the possibility of a worldwide scheme for a staged messiah. The idea of jesus as the nice guy never changed that was kept true. The stages of the cross, the contnued power carried on by the Pope, and Bishops starting with Peter the apostle. Instead of the true lineage of Mary Magdeline and their daughter serah. Who fleed to southern France. They erased all that. Who knows if it was actually jesus christ up on that cross. You think they never thought of a double? You dont think some high priest would give his life for the holy bloodline of Christ via King Solomon and King David. Its just the fact that jesus was a known gnostic, theirs evidence in the Dead Sea Scrolls of Qumran. Then these cathars, who claim literal descent from him practice a gnostic religion basically buddhist to a point of poverty and chastity for the Parfaits or (perfect ones). Who could walk this earth already in enlightenment. Free from karma and reincarnation.

 

Yea, I agree, its basically both of them though scheming though which is what i tried to say.

Yea and Serah of Egypt basically continuing the bloodline through Merovingians is another thing we should take into account. The Lost Kings of true Jerusalem. This is another reason the Zionists and Catholic church would scheme because these lost descendants threaten their power too.

 

I guess we don't have any jesus freaks in this forum.

 

fuck all you christians, don't even have an opinion on this. good for nothing brainwashed conformists.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic

true teachings of Jesus found in the Nag Hammadi library, or don't read it and be left out on what Christianity COULD have been.

 

You have my curiosity up. As a matter of fact, you HAVE had it up since you mentioned it in the thread I started. So let me ask you a few questions, if you don't mind:
1. What is the Gnostic view of salvation? It is something we all have, is it something we have to accept, or something we work for?

2. I read something about gnostics and reincarnation. Is it part of their beliefs and what is the whole deal with that?

3. I take it you are a Gnostic?

4. What is the differance between the Jesus shown in the modern day gospels and the Gnostic gospels?

 

1. Salvation is igniting the divine spark that inside of us all. The introduction by emanation of further divine beings, which are nevertheless identifiable as aspects of the God from which they proceeded; the progressive emanations are often conceived metaphorically as a gradual and progressive distancing from the ultimate source (This Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah, etc.), which brings about an instability in the fabric of the divine nature. In late antiquity some variants of Gnosticism used the term Archon to refer to several servants of the Demiurge, the "creator god" (This refers to Allah, Yahweh, God, etc. that is a referral the Enlin, a General of the Annunaki that spawns from Sumerian beliefs, the first people to have recorded history in the form of cunieform) that stood between the human race and a transcendent God that could only be reached through gnosis.

2. My belief on the reincarnation aspect is that if one does not achieve the knowledge he needs to transcend the physical world, he is reborn in order to learn what he has been missing. This can also mean certain moral choices and modes of living. Also, I beleive the ingestion of psylocibin mushrooms, as archaic as it seems, is necessary to achieve the Gnosis, which is also referred to as the logos. The has been touched upon by Carl Jung and Terrence Mckenna, who are both themselves gnostics.

3. Yes, I am following the Gnostic beliefs. They are brilliantly outlined here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic

4. The depiction of Jesus in the modern day gospels are fairly true to my understanding. The fact that he wasn't white does not coincide with my beleifs though. The Bible leaves out these teachings, because the belief in God, the demi-urge, leads people away from true salvation by conforming them and controlling them. This is my belief as to why organized religion these days has flaws, and also the aspect of botanical substances, that pre-Buddhist shamans in Tibet and shamans of South Africa used, as well as Jesus and his gnostic followers, but that part they leave out in modern gospel. My belief of Jesus was that he understood through Gnosticism, that he needed to sacrifice himself to this demi-urge, in order to free humanity so that they could achieve enlightenment from this ignorant demi-urge, or God, Allah, Yahweh, what have you. Gnosis is derived from "knowledge" or "wisdom", the force behind the creation of this demi-urge, and we all contain it, but our divine spark has not yet been lit.

 

There are many different types of gnosticism. The biggest Gnostic thought I have ever read or heard about is that Christ didn't actually suffer while on the cross. There lies the belief that He was laughing in spirit hovering right above his body while the flesh suffered. I also believe that most gnostics don't actually think Christ is the son of God, meaning YHWH. I'm not entirely sure but I think they believe the OT cites an evil god.

 

if you are really interested in this connection this site is the best to explore http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

 

..."The Cathars proclaimed there existed within humankind a spark of divine light. This light, or spirit, had fallen into captivity within a realm of corruption — identified with the material world..."

What this means in sceientific terms... that human beings have the potential to be aware of the truth, that we and all form are all one conciousness, and we are percieving ourself subjectively through these human forms and other forms for that matter... what happened is, we got lost in duality and seperation... and the earth dream is heavier and heavier because of the way our minds work. Jesus was one of many advanced mystics that broke through the barriers and realized the divine spark or doorway to the deepest realms of the one conciousness, that is how he performed the miracles and what not...

However, he wasn't so advanced that he didn't suffer on the cross at all... the drama of the cross did OCCASSIONALY pull his conciousness into body awareness which caused him to call out "why have you forsake me?" but MOST of the time he was beyond body awareness and didn't suffer.


And guys, all this talk about beliefs.

Beliefs, come on...

Wouldn't you guys rather KNOW then believe?

 

Yea he is actually the son of God, but not the God people refer to such as Allah, YHWH, Jehovah, etc. Gnostics call this the demi-urge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demi-urge

 

So as a result there will be a lot of reincarnated people, right? Because there aren't a lot of gnostics out there, so most people won't ignite that divine spark, right?

 

not necessarily, upon death who is to say they do not reach this same state of consciousness? ingniting the divine spark is merely awakening this realm of thought and experience and using it while you still exist in the physical realm.

 

They have several depictions of Jesus in history. People seem to bend and reinterpret Jesus' legacy to fit their needs. I'm sorry...But,it doesn't work like that.There's alot Jesus said that I don't want to agree with as flesh. But, if I follow Christ I really don't have a choice in the matter. Jesus did say I am in you and God is in you. He also said there is no way to the Father but through me. Hardly near Buddhist though. Now mind you this is not a conviction of Buddhism. It is though a striking difference.

 

The cathars were VERY GNOSTIC. This is a major tenant of Gnosticism. Yet the realization of this divine spark, is very easy to do. Its the PERFECTING it, that makes you enlightened. The perfectly enlightened Cathars referred to themselves as the "Parfaits" Old French for Perfected. Thus involves total renunciation of worldly things based on the identification of this material world as a prison of corruption.

One thing r33f3r m4dn3ss missed was to mention the dead sea scrolls. This was a major addition to the gnostic library. This also backed up years of gnostic knowledge that was always viewed with a skeptic eye. It was the major work of the Nag Hammadi found at Qumran. Tons of gnostic scrolls found somewhere in a cave off the dead sea, obviously planted there by the Church.

As for the gnostics and buddhists compared. Both VIEW THIS WORLD as material "hell" borrowing that term. The wheel of samsara, the endless rebirth and death, untill concious enlightenment. This is exactly the gnostics view of life and death. Meditation, and yoga were also practiced among the gnostics, since their situation in the mid east let them learn the divination techniques of both the east and west. Psychadelics like reefer mentioned, is the "DIAMOND VEHICLE" to an extent in gnosticism. Its instant enlightenment, yet has to be for hte pure of heart, because it can go horribly wrong and backfire on you. This is why modern Buddhists tend to stick to the meditation and enlightenment through "Burning out" of desire. This is exactly the same thing as the gnostic aim. Both the Parfaits of the Cathar Gnostics, and the Buddhist Sangha, as well as the Sky clad of the jains (who get this name cuz they wander aimlessly naked), are exactly the same. The cathar parfaits are said to wear sometimes only a loin cloth. They rarely eat, beg for food, don't ever have sex for procreation, never have sex for pleasure, have strict codes of non-violence. As every action has a karmic "weight" added to it, even eating has karma. The highest achievement in both Jainism, Parfait Gnosticisim, and the buddhist sangha, was to FREE THE SPIRIT FROM MATERIAL. It is a fundamental truth that Death only rules while human spirits inhabit these gross monkey/alien bodies. World freedom to the gnostics,Buddhists, and Jains, comes only with the end of humanity. This is why their highest enlightened followers, never procreated. Now this is not even applicable to the mass of the population, yet to them it is a simple answer to a question thousands of years in the making. I think it is somewhat impossible to do, because of humans general fear about death, so they must continue their seed through a child. So basically what im saying is when people stop fucking, death dies with the last of the humans, and eternal bliss is all we will know, in a spirit realm.

However, Ganja Prince, Gnostics do not believe Jesus Christ the man died on the cross (to most sects) as he was only a phantom of the true god of divine essense, that we all are apart of and which is associated with our divine essence (a perfect example of this essense is just a small cup and a large cup both containing the same soup, if you need a visual of it). They viewed the crucifixion as a symbol only, of death of the Ego, acknowledgement of the divine spark, and ressurection of the higher self or enlightened being. This is why he said I am god and god is in you. That is a little more confusing term of the soup metaphor, the gnostics view he was part of that divine soup, speaking directly for the soup, showing you that you too have the soup. I prefer tomato, with a grilled cheese sandwich on the side.

Need another example? Christ as the enlightened savior, is no different from Buddhism, as Siddartha Gautama. Now any human can attain enlightenment, since they were born. Exactly the same doctrine, Buddha showed enlightenment, therefore all humans could be enlightened. As with Christ.
There is no way to the father through me, is a means of following his example. Of Ego death, acknowledgement, and perfection. Crucifixion, death, and resurrection. Those are the three powers behind Easter, this myth was created to convert the masses into Catholicism.

 

Nimrod you're an intelligent guy but I disagree with you. When Jesus said the only way to the father was through me he failed to recognize that he was talking specifically about attributes. He didn't say the only through the father was ego death, acknowledgement, and perfection. He said me. Also, the basis of alot of Buddhism conflicts directly with Christian thought. Righteous anger for example. Another example is thoughts on sex. Another is rebirth. There's quite a bit of difference. To say the essential truth and aim of both are the same is oversimplifying both as religions and philosophies.