It's not real?

Lately, I have been having this strange feeling all the time that life isn't 'real.' It all just seems fake. I don't understand where this is coming from. Just wondering if anyone else has this feeling?

 

Except for death,it's all a human construct.After all,for example,crops don't jump up with price tags on them!See what I mean ,by extrapolation?It's all made up.It's a very liberating feeling ,this realization is.Sounds to me like you've "seen behind the curtain".Congrats!---------scratcho---------

 

I have always had that feeling.

 

Death is the ultimate human construct and life is all that is real. It modifies in many forms, now you see it now you dont, but it is the only true constant factor, pulsing through every pore of the transcient universe.

 

how can we define whats real when reality is so subjective and confined to individual expirience???

 

Nothing is real but reality itself.

We may see different things, but the light that illumines them is one.

 

The human construct ,IMHO,is all human history evolved from eons of of being ,with all that implies,to the present.All we see around us that we have affected and caused to exist,the wars,the objects we posses the various ways in which humanity comport themselves relative to their surroundings ,interpersonal relations---we as humanity have created .The attempts at governing and the myriad rationales for being--existing--are included in the construct.No ,my friend , the inevitabiliy of death is not included in the construct--for if that were true,humanity would have changed that at first recognition of the ceasing to exist on this plane.Our fates are irrevocably tied to the stars.We(humanity) will continue ,each in our own way,to seek our answer to "THE BIG QUESTION".I would aver that those among us,including myself,who consider themselves free thinkers will probably not find a comfortable rationale to lean on.Except that we will be neither the first nor the last to "shuffle off this mortal coil",to quote a famous English dude.What will be ,will be.So --real?Yeah--pick your reality and run with it.

 

Humanness, all that we do, all that we create, all those effects are also constructs.

 

It's just a ride, no more real then a dream... it sure does hurt. When you wake up, and that can happen here now, you realize that you never were, none of it ever was... there was only this BEING, this ONE BEING, that entered into space/time, and 'lives' it all through all the roles... for every suffering filled dream like earth... there are pleasent heavenly dreams... and heaven can be brought to earth, by finding the heaven within... the heaven in the here now...

So if it feels phony... you are on to something dude. You are starting to perhaps see through the veil... the heaviness created by mind, will be ruduced into the lightness of the cosmic joke that has unbearable compassion for all those still lost in the dream...

Waking up in a process... I am a beginner.


Ram Dass writes, "We're all just caught in the delusion all of us caught in the illusion being aware of it as illusion and yet so much in it."

That is where I am at... I know it is an illussion... in the HERE and Now, I experience this one conciousness, and have a relationship with god... yet I incredible caught in many ways, I have few siddhis (psychic powers) and whenever I get some really amazing siddhi experience they have quickly gotten to my ego and I lost them...

So I'm caught and beyond, Buddha and woody allen... it is pretty hilarious situation. a cosmic joke... beginners know, but they sure do have tons of funny attachments and aversions to deal with.

 

you must have never tripped balls

 

Pl&shrooms
Well, 'being alive' is real enough,,and death, as an end to that.
Has a huge place in human minds.
If you mean 'life as a being embedded in human society'
Then occam agrees.. and also with scratcho in his use of the term 'construct'

Scratcho

Yah..Construct.
An example

Say U are alien in starship and enter earth orbit. U are not here to invade
and dont bother with communication..U do ONE thing..observe the planet
below and the apparent 'dominant species'.
U observe these creatures spending some time immoble on flat sqaures
within primative box structures that form massive agglomerations across the planet.
When not so immobile they either stay in the boxes or leave and move along
hard surfaced ribbons under own power or in machine powered boxes that run on
plant byproducts. They then spend more time in other boxes[ sometimes assembling machines] then return to original box..
During all this they emit compression waves in the atmosphere directly towards
others of there kind and sometimes even other species or into handheld machines.
This sequence of activity repeats cyclically in tune with the rotation of the planet
through light/dark.
There are many variations of this but this establishes the basic pattern of these
beings as observed by u in orbiting ship. This is what they do

What is not observed?
ecconomics, politics, philosophy, laws, rights, relationships, beauty, quality,desire, insult, constitutions, opinion, belief, faith, hope, boredom, empowerment, countries, national borders, corporations,societies, class, style, fashion, equality, morality, ethics, culture, religion, Fun, happyness, greed, ambition, satisfaction, diplomacy, enlightenment.

They are not observed because they are ALL constructs of the human mind.
They have no physical existance. And yet, just those above that occam listed
in a few minutes cover a large majority of our 'human life'.

Occam

 

Excellant!

 

Scratcho

Bet u none reply...
It is so obvious that no arguement can be had.

Where are the big red national borders on the face of earth?
Were does the body of a beast called a 'corporation' exist?
Where in reality does quality & beauty exist?

Nowhere but human heads
ALL such things are interactive interpretations of data.
That WE act appon

No more

Occam

 

occam Agreed.Then suppose our observing aliens moved in closer.They would begin to see objects instantaniously coming apart , accompanied by flashes of light, including some of the observed dominant species.Not everywhere-just seemingly in specific places not yet to be understood by our observers .Puzzling. Altho observed mainly ,is the beautiful state of the planet itself with a flowing substance covering most of it ,easily recognised by our observers as liquid .Also great areas of solidity amenable to sustenance, including shelter.Intrigued,our visiters decide to move even closer --part of their mission now,(because of the Bang deconsruction observed)will be to move in much ,much closer ,even to assimilate ,to determine the constructs, if any,of the dominant species and to assign values to same,add or subtract value as constructs are evaluated; determine the state of the planet and all the inhabitants, if possible ,and set odds on whether any species will ultimately survive.-------------------------------------------------------------(now ,in our little story(hypothesis),we shall see how long objectivity can sustain before subjectivity pokes its tiny little head in)if anyone wants to play?

 

Scratcho

Carefull with the alien ship..,cant get too close

Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, implemented on July 16, 1969, make it illegal for U.S. citizens to have any contact with extraterrestrials or their vehicles.



Occam

Yah. will play latter today

 

So you guys think that all of those things that are 'human construct' aren't real? How can you know whether or not those aliens would be seeing beauty as we see it? Because we can only perceive from our own perspective, can we ever know what is real and what isn't?

 

Well---uh--because we're making up the rules of this exercise.Hahaha.OK?Then again ,this is where objectivity will allow us to succinctly describe and grade humanity relative to what has and is happening on this little ball of rock spinning towards---????Are we on an observable "right path"?--------And occam---no problem with me re: section 1211,title14---if I see an alien ship--it'll be like Mantan Moreland would say in a Charlie Chan movie--FEET__DO YOUR DUTY!

 

PL&Shrooms

Of all those things occam listed..point to one that has a physical existance as a thing in itself.

Beauty is an individual subjective interpretation of data.
People say..'thats beautifull'..or 'what is your definition of beauty'
that definition being the 'construct' talked about here which
is as real as say.. your imagination
You cant walk in a shop and say..'gimme half a kilo of beauty
and can you wrap it please'

How we act in accordance to these constructs is called the human
social world

The alien viewpoint from orbit shows what is observed by it..no more
Our 'objective actions' as we go about our lives.
The aliens 'subjective interpretation of data' . What it would call
beauty, would likely be totally 'alien' to us.
But no less a 'construct' than ours is.
And irrelevant to this conversation...
the alien is but the 'objective observer'

Occam

 

But is there an "objective observer" in existence? I don't believe there is. Every perception is subjective. So what is reality if there is no objective view of existence? Is there only subjective reality? Does anything actually exist without someone/ some "thing" perceiving its existence?

 

When one has a position to defend,objectivity loses.If one is an observer with no stake in the outcome(of?)subjectivity loses.