9/11 Commission Report

Further reading for those who care to question...

http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic_.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_22_01/Some_Survivors_Say__Bombs_Expl/some_survivors_say__bombs_expl.html

http://www.stunning-reversal.com/headlines/9-11-investigation.htm

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

http://www.911-strike.com/demolition_explosive.htm

http://www.911-strike.com/demolition-pro-con.htm

 

Hell hath no fury like a conspiracy theorist scorned.

I was hoping you would say something like that. I was particularly hoping you would say "spouting", since the more vitriol you fill your ill-conceived posts with the more you look like a fool. Just as a google search will pull up idiotic conspiracy theories, a google search will pull up made up words used by pompous windbags such as yourself. Try a google search on "alot" or "conspirasy". You'll get hundreds of links, but sadly they are not words. On the other hand, try putting "hithertofore" into www.dictionary.com or http://www.m-w.com/ (Merriam-Webster) and you'll get nothing.

Nonetheless thanks for providing us with such a powerful, illustrative example of what happens when the gullible get online. The fact that something appears in a google search, whether a made up word or a lunatic fringe conspiracy theory, does not make it true.

PS my academic and professional achievements are none of your business; you may have noticed that very few people here feel the need to reveal that kind of personal information. I'll leave that sort of empty posturing to you.

 

The blowhard speaketh. Obviously little more than snide retort to back up your routine dismissals.

A truly sad and pathetic character you are, but stock in trade for the neo-con camp.

 

Lick you sure sound threatened by Point Break. Oh, and didn't I suggest that since we all know what your theory is on 9/11 that you don't need to keep harping on it? As much as I hate to admit it, I too had once found a tiny bit of relevance into some of the sites you posted until I started discussing it with people who think logically. I, like you will someday, finally realized that obsession with conspiracy theories is a disease. After a while you stop believing anything anybody tells you. Get some help before it's too late. And take the advice a wise man once said.........Stop watching X-Files. Once you step back into reality you will see how foolish you were in your thinking.

 

Hell Hath No fury like a sheep told to question

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

LOL. Silky, I was once a good ol bandwagoneer ready to throw in with the oh so logical sounding "groupthink" to which you obviously subscribe. Then I actually travelled and began experiencing on a professional level the nature of Washington's machinations and "real politik" and its detrimental effects on the rest of the world.

Perhaps when you grow up and actually know more of the world than your local armchair pundits and tv news magazines care to tell you, you yourself might actually see that the logic they sell you is a myth erected to further the corporate status quo.

That you should preach to me of logic and subscribe to a coverstory so riddled with glaring credibility gaps is utterly hilarious.

 

I'm with LickHERish.

The rest of you are just talking a lot without saying anything.

 

Lick, didn't your mommy ever tell you never to ASSume. You think you know me, where I've lived, where I've traveled, what I've done in life?

This thread is getting off topic. Time to end this stupid pissing match, but first I want to thank you for admitting that my posts do hold some creditbility. That is more than I ever could have asked from you.

Back to the beginning.

Has anybody read the 9/11 Commission Report?? I picked the book up a couple days ago and have just gotten a couple pages in. It seems pretty thorough and the facts have already proven to be eye opening.

 

Ive ASSumed no more about you than you and the troll have done toward myself and others here. For whatever you deem a credit to yourself however, you are most welcome.

 

Jet fuel, spilled all over an office environment, fanned by the winds you encounter on the floors of a tall building will burn fairly hot and will definitely reach temperatures needed to anneal (soften) structural steel.

For example, a MIL-STD-2105B Fast Cookoff tests use only a pool of jet fuel and wood stacked in it to easily generate a temperature of 1000 degees F (870 C) in a wind no greater than 6.3 mph.

870 C is more than enough to begin the annealing process in steel with a carbon % of .26 maximum, which is what is in structural steel. Raised temperatures will weaken steel and cause it to become more malleable. This will cause it to buckle under the pressure of supporting a structure. Once it buckles it will transfer its load to the surrounding beams causing them to fail more rapidly. http://www.mesteel.com/cgi-bin/w3-m...steelmillsoftheworld.com/members/astm_a36.htm



One more thing. It seems as everyone is thinking the office buildings were empty. NO, there were all kinds of papers, plastics, wood, carpet, loads of flamable material that burns what color now? Oh yeah, black. Amazing what happens when you use your brain and actualy apply it to what you are thinking about.

Ever notice that the 9/11 conspiracy theorists are never engineers with real world experience.

 

If the Iraq prison abuse was "leaked" to the public in just months, I find it hard to believe that if 9/11 is some grand conspiracy that no evidence has "leaked" in almost 3 years.

 

The Iraqi Prisoner abuse had the scrutiny of outside sources, namely Human Rights Watch/Amnesty and was not a matter that could be as controlled as could the planning and execution of a series of domestic based attacks, Silky. 911 did not necessitate countless numbers of individuals, but rather key well placed senior persons from our defence establishment who simply shared the same PNAC vision, to be quite plausibly and legitimately carried out successfully.

The main contention in the end is that a truly broad-based investigation into more than was permitted of the congressional commission to examine is still needed to address these remaining questions. Why is that so difficult for right wingers to get their head around, it should be something every American should desire to have cleared up definitively in every aspect.

 

Sorry RA, the black smoke of the fires in both towers clearly indicated it was no more than a smoldering office fire and thus not at all within the heat range (2000+ F) even sufficient to soften steel to buckling point, the reports ive linked to spell that out most clearly.

And again, if the coverstory were true then the first tower struck would have collapsed first and certainly not in a perfectly symmetrical downward fashion indicative of controlled demolition.

Those who believe the official implausibilities are the real conspiracy theorists adhering to sheer fabrication.

Go and ponder why FEMA made sure that no forensic analysis on the steel could be made prior to being sold off hurriedly to overseas scrap merchants. Such standard practice should have been job one for any investigative team on the scene. Then again, it might dampen your flag waving to question too strongly, best just swallow the lies.

 

Let's rewind and look at this plot which LickHERish says "did not necessitate countless numbers of individuals" and thus would be easier to cover up than, say, Abu Gharib:

The sheer stupidity of this theory is breathtaking. Fanatic terrorists whose stated goal is to "kill Americans wherever you can find them" are out there and meanwhile tinfoil hat wearing crazies are telling us to ignore that so we can focus on the CIA/Mossad plot to "hijack the entire country and destroy the planet with their wars and lies"".

 

Actually no PB, no such shell need have been created as the event happened so quickly and so few eye witnesses were subsequently cited in the "official" record that any who saw what appeared to be a "cruise missile" or other such object considerably smaller than a 747 were simply not entered into the record. Nothing too far fetched at all since it is common practice in many criminal court case where the state seeks to suppress testimony of potential threat to its case.

You keep believing the real conspiracy theory and keep your head duly prostrated at the feet of the repeatedly demonstrated liars you so willingly defend. Ignorance is bliss after all.

 

Well, lets see. I saw the second plane hit, and no, I didn't see anything shoot in front of it. I saw the plane fly into the side of the building and wondered who or where would be attacked next. Most of your theories and others theories are based soley on suspecion. No substantial evidence shows your theory to be correct. Your links only link to other paranoid "I have been abducted" morons. When you have actual proof, then I might believe something else than what I saw with my own two eyes.

You know, at one point I was fooled by your vocabulary to think you were an inteligent person. Now after reading more and more of your crap, I see the truth. I also see several other members here refering to your many conspiracy theories. This only leads me to believe that though your vocabulary is extensive, far more than mine at least, your intelect is that bordering a child that still believes in Santa Clause. Do me a favor, next time you get abducted by little green aliens with big round eyes, ask them to remove the implant that took away your intelect.

Oh, and I am not sure if you think the Discovery channel is right wing/left wing/insaine wing, but they did a special on 9/11. A big ole group of college proffesors, scientist, architects, and a whole bunch of other unknowns recreated the crashes and found that everthing in the office would give off enough heat to weaken the structure of the WTC buildings. But then perhaps that show is run by the men in black and produced by little green men.

 

Hrmm, ever burn trash? Fire spreads no matter what. When a house catches fire, and burns everything in sight and out of sight, is that smoldering? Jeez, you are pathetic.

 

No sir, your refusal to come to terms with the plain fact, well established and annotated in the links provided, that the fuel had long evaporated and that an office fire of burning furniture rugs and whatever other incendiary material there might have been can not reach temperatures necessary to soften steel let alone melt it, is what is truly pathetic (and willfully blind).

Go on then, however, believe the official and quite implausible conspiracy theory. God forbid you should have to face the terrible possibility that our own federal government had a hand in what quite demonstrably served to further the PNAC plans long awaiting just such a traumatic inauguration.

Your dismissals fly in the face of simple physics. But no matter.

As for your belief that any post ive made has been "refuted" (and i can suspect who the "others" are to which refer), you have an absurdly low standard of "refutation" if you take snide dismissal for anything remotely nearing the substantive analysis provided (oh yes of course, PB's "anonymous" snopes site can't possibly be further reinforcement of a groupthink mentality that refuses to question, oh no.). The victims of that day still await an investigation worthy of their terrible fate.

 

We'll never get REAL answers to any of this because as the 9/11 Commission already admitted, they decided AGAINST releasing or addressing any controversial information or information that seriously indicts high-ranking government official. The people who WROTE the thing said this. Did we REALLY expect any different? Do you think if the government DID have something to do with plotting, allowing, or misinforming the public about 9/11 that we will find out ANYTIME IN THE NEXT 60 YEARS? Or EVER? They aren't going to allow the American public to EVER know what kind of heinous garbage the government is REALLY up to - not in this lifetime. Keeping control of the sheep is far too important for that.

 

Maybe keeping control of the sheep means keeping people wrapped up in asinine conspiracy theories rather than providing any credible opposition to the current "regime".