9/11 Was Staged

David Icke eh! I remember when it all kicked off with that guy - right old head the ball, and I'm not talking about his football prowess either. Still, he's gotten rich off of that crap, makes you wonder who's laughing at who.

 

That isn't what I said. I didn't mean that I believe in the general theme no matter what his sources are. I meant that even if he's wrong in a few instances, I think that in most cases he is right. I have looked at it rationally. I see no reason such people should be ignored as historians except for their ideas. David Icke, Zecharia Sitchin, etc. make a very good argument for their case. Period. That's all I'm saying. The bottom line: I've read their work and it's solid. So you do the same and tell me what you think then, not based on assumptions without having read their work enough to even understand the ideas they're putting forward, let alone critisize them.

 

There's no such thing as space lizards.period.

Don't try to convince otherwise...it wont work. I dont care how many sci-fi books were written by quasi-historians.

 

It's a shame that this thread has diverted away from the original topic: THAT 9/11 WAS ORCHESTRATED AND CARRIED OUT BY THE GOVERNMENT!

 

Wow shocking Matt, i thought you were a knee jerk reactionary, who ate up every pearl that fell from W's mouth and wanted to invade Iraq by yourself on 9/12

 

I hope you're joking. Sometimes I can't tell.

 

Ah, but you forget one key factor: namely, that I don't give half a shit about what you think. I'm losing no sleep tonight over whether a moron like you knows the truth about what's going on or not. By all means, continue living in your shell. It's safer that way.

 

N

Go look at the sources for Icke’s book, (in my UK copy they are at the back of each chapter), and at the bibliography at the back, virtually all of them are rubbish. Also if memory serves, I believe that David even cites himself as a source for claims, which is like me saying that it is a fact that the moon is made out of cheese, and citing as proof me saying that the moon is made out of cheese.

To give yet another example from the book you recommended, David makes the assertion - as fact - that the ancient Indians had aircraft and ‘anti-gravity’ technology and he gives a source. If you actually go and check out that source it turns out that it is based on the mention in ancient Indian myths of hovering palaces and chariots that could fly. So if you accept that those myths were completely true then it stands to reason that the ancient Indians just must have had aircraft or anti-gravity technology. Just as it stands to reason that Santa Claus has the same technology.

How many times do I have to show you that David peddles inaccurate information, spreads half truths and is full of bull shit, before you’d admit his ideas are rubbish?

Or would it matter, I have the suspicion that even if I went through the whole book line by line, chapter by chapter and showed you that it is virtually all inaccurate, half-truth and down right bull-shit, you wouldn’t care. I think you would just do what you have done so far shrug and say “well Icke might be wrong in this book but what about all the other books he has written?”. And if I when through them and showed how worthless those were, I think you’d just shrug again and say “Ok so Icke is wrong but Zecharia Sitchin makes a very good argument” and if his books were shown to be rubbish you’d just go on to the next nut job on the list.

You say that you are rational that you have looked at David Icke’s work rationally and with you critical faculties in place.

But if you had read it that way you would have seen for yourself the huge inaccuracies, the twisting of truth and the many, many cases of bull shit in his work and you wouldn’t be recommending Icke but branding him a charlatan?

But as it is…you just seem to have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Maybe it is you that needs to do some reading not me.

 

The conspiracy theorists interest me because they seem to be the most extreme manifestation of a problem that many people seem to have.

The belief in myths over reality.

You see it at many levels of American society the partial to total disregard for the actual in favour of the imagined.

People might be surprised that anyone could believe in such gumf as ‘the conspiracy’, shape changing seven foot lizards or Zionist bankers from the planet Nibiru.

But think about it according to a recent poll 51% of Americans thought God had created man as he is now, basically say that evolution is wrong and ancient sky gods do exist?

Now people might think it stupid to believe that devil worshipping Illumanti or Zionist banker Satanists where responsible for blowing up the twin towers seconds before the planes hit.

But remember that many Americans and a majority of the US troops in Iraq still believe Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11.

 

Yet again, I have actually read the books. The only time he cites himself that I have seen is when he touches on a subject that he goes into detail about in another book, and refers you there if you want more information about that particular subject.

I'd also like to pose a couple of questions, basically just to see how you will answer them. One: were all the ancient peoples of the world in the habit of making up lies that were identical from culture to culture, and carving them on walls and telling stories about them? What's the point? Why would they write these things if they had no basis in fact?

And, do you even conced that it's possible that what I'm saying is true? I know you don't think it is, just as i don't think what you say is true, but do you concede that there is not proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that I'm wrong? Because if you can't concede that, there's no point in further discussion.

 

I'm a moron because I don't believe in Sooper Sekrit Space Lizards who control the world?

Someone get Nalencer a Thorazine shot.

 

Nope, you're a moron because you refuse to consider the possibility. Thinking one knows everything is a true sign of stupidity.

 

Amen to that!

 

Yeah; take that, jerk.

No one's talking about "space lizards;" drop it and confront the real issues.

(Larry Silverstein addmitting Building 7 was pulled, perhaps?)

 

I never claimed to know everything. I'm not as arrogant as you and some others on this forum.

But I refused to be duped into ridiculous theories by certifiable paranoids. That doesn't make me a moron, it makes me sane.

 

Earth to dumbass. If you knew anything about Icke and the theory of the Illuminati, you'd know that the theory is that higher-ups in the world's leadership are infact...Alien Lizards from Space! They are allegedly here and have been here for thousands of years. An omnipresent and Big Brotherish force to which we cannot escape and are infact enslaved to.

Jesus christ,even if you haven't read the books...the fucking Discovery Channel just did a 2 hour show on the subject! Well, it was two one hour shows..but it was two hours of the same subject.

 

I never claimed to know everything. I rule things out only once I have researched them and come to the conclusion they are not true. And even then I could be wrong, although I believe I am right. You, on the other hand, base your decisions merely on what you have been programmed to consider "ridiculous" and "insane".

These ideas are only ridiculous because that's what you've been conditioned to believe. Further, paranoia is no more than what you have been conditioned to believe it is. What most call paranoia is reasonable thinking. And the difference between sane and insane is merely point of view. This society locks up people who percieve the world differently from most. Is the guy hearing voices crazy, or are the people not hearing them crazy? The answer is neither - they are simply two different points of view.

You're right, we've been pulled off topic. But it seems to keep going anyway. As far as I'm concerned there's nothing more to say about 9/11. It's obvious it was an inside job. So many people can see it. The rest are simply in denial.

 

LOL

Yes, that's what Icke thinks, but I was referring to Nalancer and Pressed Rat and myself...we're debating the evidence of the 9/11 cover up...reptilians has to do with sumerian creation myths or whatever and that's another subject.

But when people like us bring up the considerable evidence of the human NWO theory, people spin it to lizards as such.

Nalancer you're right, the cover up is so obvious, but it's only obvious to you and I because we've been aware of it for at least a year (for me). I find it frustrating a lot but I realize we've gotta take time and be patient with those who haven't seen what we have.

Peace

 

I am impressed very at the number of people who see the 9/11 coverup though.

 

N

Oh N, I am willing to concede any possibility, I keep an open mind and if you can bring me concrete evidence of shape shifting lizards, we’ll see.

But it works both ways are you willing to accept the possibility that your views are wrong?

You recommended a book to me ‘Children of the Matrix’ by David Icke. You say you have read this work yet it is me that has had to point out to you that it’s author seem to be a charlatan who uses suspect sources and very bad methodology.

Also it is me that had actually given examples - from the book - to show this to be true, and you even seem to concede that what I’ve pointed out is correct that David Icke gets things wildly wrong. Yet you remain convinced in the face of these inaccuracies that the ‘general theme’ is right.

Why?

How often would I have to show David’s work to be very seriously flawed and inaccurate before you conceded that the ‘general theme’ is most likely flawed and inaccurate?

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I concede that human beings are great storytellers, I also concede that one of the major themes of these stories has been the fantastic.

People see a ground vehicle and they think how more wonderful it would be if it could not just speed across the ground but fly, so we get flying chariots in Indian mythology and a flying Ford Anglia in Harry Potter. Many people like to be shocked or frightened, so we get monsters in classical mythology just as we get the Blob, Alien, Predator, Species, the Thing and a whole host of other alien creatures. Sometimes it is about control so in Christian mythology there is a good place for those that keep to the rules and a painful and terrible place for those that don’t.

So from the story of Gilgermesh (and probably even before) to the latest episode of Battlestar Galactica, the human imagination has invented the wild and fantastical.

But that doesn’t make them true.

Some say that many fables or mythology have a basis in fact, I concede that, but it also must be remembered that that is also something humans do they take something ‘true’ and twist fiction within and around it. Just because an author places a story within a world recognisable to the audience doesn’t make the fictional part of their story somehow to become true. The England described by H.G.Wells in War of the World (or the US shown in the films) was normal and realistic, but that does not make the aliens anymore real, and to do so would miss the point of the book.

People have to use their rational and critical faculties to differentiate between the two.

What is more likely that a human being made something up to impress his audience or make their god seem stronger and better than another, or that somehow these ancient cultures had ‘anti-gravity’ technology, especially since there is no actual physical or documented evidence for it outside of the myth?