A moneyless society, is it possible?

But that is not the kind of state socialists want.

Socialism doesn't support private ownership of production. So how does monopoly capitalism equate to socialism?

The size of your pocket determines your freedom, how is that freedom?

A moneyless society will get rid of their desire for money. You say money is not the issue but control. Well that is why the founding fathers implemented checks and balances.

I agree, a minimal government is necessary. A government that maximizes social freedom and limits economic freedom to prevent the consolidation of wealth.

But a moneyless society does not equate to a fascist dictatorship.

Implement a moneyless society and they have nothing to print and control unless they introduce microchips like you predict, which most rational people will object against.

 

My plan is to introduce a national labour card instead of money as payment. Your labour whether it is brain, physical or sexual is your access to goods and services.

Everyone would be some kind of a worker, there would be no owners or elites.

Your rights as worker would be as follow:
- The right to work
- The right to choose
- The right to change your place of employment
- The right to move
- The right to quit
- The right to be free from oppression

Work hours will be shorter because there would be no unemployment. Wages and money would be nonexistent and irrelevant. Your access to socially produced goods and services will be your labour not money.

People who choose not to work the minimum hours (20 to 30 hours a week) there services and goods would be limited. Just like in capitalism when you don't work you lose access to your services and the ability purchase the goods you want and end up homeless.

Work hours will increase and decrease based on society's needs.

Incentive to work? you work to have unlimited access to goods and services.

University graduates = 20 hours a week of work
College graduate = 30 hours a week of work
High school graduates = 40 hours a week of work

Incentive to seek higher education? to do the work you desire and enjoy.

It does not matter what degree.


Work won't be work it would be fun because most would be doing what they like and appreciate.

 

Maybe not, but when the central bankers control the money, that is what you get. Socialism, like communism, is far different in ideology than when applied. If it wasn't sold to people in an idealistic, utopian light, gullible people wouldn't buy into it. It's funny that communism is often sold as being all about peace and equality, when history proves it's been anything but that. Communism has claimed more lives than anything else in modern history (ie: the past 100 years).

No, socialism supports ownership in the hands of the state, which is controlled by the banks. This is monopoly capitalism, since it is a consolidation of wealth and power in the hands of the elite few running the government.

I didn't say that. All I am saying is that capitalism in its truest form at least allows people to acheive something higher than what the globalists want, which is a society that is powerless and dependent on the state for its survival. Communism strives to make everyone equal by making everyone a peasant and slave to the state. Try studying the history of Communism if you think otherwise.

Why do you think they are working to destroy the Constitution? Do you think checks and balances are working in favor of the American people, and if so, why are we headed in the direction we are? Is it because of capitalism, or the people in control of capitalism?

A moneyless society will get rid of whose desire for money?

So you think social freedoms are to be granted by the all-powerful government? You want a government that limits (abolishes) the economic freedoms of the common man, yet increases the economic freedoms of the state?

The cashless, microchipped society that the Elite are currently pushing for would be. You need to understand, there is a difference between what you see fit and what the globalists see fit. There is a big difference between dreamy idealism and harsh reality.

And how do you plan on doing this?

Secondly, people object to a lot of things the government does, but they do it anyway.

The United States is turning into a fascist dictatorship, and once it comes into full fruition, it won't matter what people object to. What happened when people objected to Hitler or Stalin? Did they put their tail between their legs and run away? No, they had these people killed for not accepting their tyranny.

You desperately need to wake up and become informed!

 

Throughout history, communism has proven to be the antithesis to everything you listed above. This clearly shows you don't have your shit together. Ditch the rhetoric and bring some facts to the table.

 

There would be no money to control because it doesn't exist.

Just like capitalism. Just wondering how many lives has capitalism claimed?

Socialism is a loaded term with many branches. Some socialists advocate democratic consolidation of wealth and some do not. Banks are only necessary if money exists.

I agree, reading Adam smith's work this is not what he envisioned capitalism to be like just like Karl Marx didn't envision communism to turn out totalitarian. Theory is great how theory is implemented depends on the implemetors.

Well society is powerless and dependent on corporations today for survival. Which is the lesser evil a democratic state or dependence on corporations?

A bit of both.

politicians.

Freedoms and rights are established by the government with the consent of the governed. Murder wouldn't be illegal if it is not enforced by the government. Rape wouldn't be illegal if not enforced by the government. I believe in a government that maximizes social freedoms as long as such freedoms do not harm others and limits economic freedom to achieve individual freedom. For example, I think gays granted their social rights and freedoms does not harm others like the current religious, conservative, and Rightist government thinks.

Read my previous post. What they are pushing for is not what I am pushing for.

Then it is not true democracy.

I know, you should see my thread on fascism. How a government operates depends on the people, their actions and lack of actions.

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137846

 

For someone who claims to be so intelligent you should know this:

 

The free energy source could be whatever as long as it is safe, reliable, efficient, clean, and environmental.

Children, old people and disabled people (mentally or physically) who cannot
work will be exempted.

Students would be free to focus on their education.

Why make life hard when it could be easy?
Why make life miserable when it could enjoyable?


Money is an obstacle to free human interaction, creativity, and progress.

Waste would be discouraged and reduced.

Workers can create democratic collectives.

 

Those who choose to work harder and longer will have access to scarce items. On the other hand, they probably won't require a reward because working longer and harder in a moneyless society only means one thing you like and enjoy your job.

Would people take more than what they need because it is free? Basic everyday human observations objects.

Land is the only problem that might arise in a moneyless society. Everyone would have the right to own land but how big or small.

 

true

Capitalistic systemic material scarcity and money produces greed.

 

obesity, sexism, irrationality the list goes on

 

Can anyone tell me what the hell is “true free-market capitalism”?

I mean I’ve asked Rat and he doesn’t know so can anyone else explain it to me?

 

This is such a perfect HipForums thread.

On the one hand we have the communists (who shout "Awesome!" when someone posts ridiculous communist propaganda, complete with a photo of STALIN, one of the biggest murderers of all time) and on the other hand we have the conspiracy theorists who think the holocaust has been "hugely overexaggerated" and in some respects "completely made up", and believe that seven foot tall shape changing time travelling lizard jews have controlled the planet since the beginning of time.

Its so good to see great minds come together to solve the world's problems.

 

Yeah, but a common need will replace the money, almost as a money. I.e. pepper in medieval europe, gold throughout time, etrc

 

How, exactly, is this different than money?

 

the micro ship implantation in this socia-capitalistic society of ours has already begun. enter the smart card
it is a tiny little crystal receiver in the card. they want to replace the bar code with this, wal mart has already tried, and will succced in due time. it will mean the end of privite living as we know it, since it also doubles as a video transmitter than can be tapped into with simple tools almost anyone could make/buy. supposibly the stores who want to market this new bar code chip (i.e. smart card chip) have devices which deactivate the chip and supposibly render it useless...but unfortunatly this is impossible to do. ah the magic of crystals

 

source, please.

I'm a scientist who KNOWS that petroleum is non-renewable. why? because combustion reactions are irreversible after combustion has completed its phase.

 

Anyone can say they're a scientist. How about some proof you're a scientist. Until you post some evidence that shows you're a scientist, I say you're full of shit.

As far as abiotic oil is concerned, ever heard of Google? Why should I have to provide evidence to something that is widely available online with a simple engine search.

 

CONSERVATIVES: We don't want any "queers" butt-fucking and we want the Corporations and Rich to remain in charge. (because we ARE the Rich!)

LIBERTARIANS: We don't care if "queers" butt-fuck, but we want the Corporations and Rich to remain in charge. (because we are "self-made" and have never used any public or natural resources for anything ever...no roads, no police, no laws, nothing...)

 

It takes millions of years to make oil and only under specific conditions. Care to cite the geologists who don't think oil is going to peak? Please don't use Bush's "scientists" b/c for Bush, oil will NEVER run out and he and daddy will invest in it forever. Yeah right.

Peace and love

 

but guys, if we didn't have money, how would we buy things?