Are there inaccuracies in the Quran?

How many days did it take to create the Heavens and the Earth?

· Quran-7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

· Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

· Quran- 11:7: He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

· Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that Allah ( God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below state

· Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

· Quran- 41:10: He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

· Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 4 (for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days.

You can see similar mistakes in the verses: Quran-4:11, 4:12, and 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parts adds up more than the available property, i.e., the totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come? A gross mathematical error, is it not?

Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?

· Quran-22:47: A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

· Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning

· Quran-70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?

Creation of the Heavens and the Earth

Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heavens were created first.

· Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

· Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science ? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven ? Does modern science tell us that ? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing as a firmament or any roof over us, it is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of a ROOF over us which is called the SKY! How funny!

Sun-set and Sun-rise

The Quran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:

· Quran-18:86: Till, when he (the traveler Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…

· Quran- 18:90: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.

There are serious scientific errors here. Firstly, it is a scientifically accepted fact that the Sun never goes down into a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away.” It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second journey THE PLACE where it rises.

A Resting Place for the Sun?

· Quran-36:38: And the Sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.

· Quran-36:39: And for the moon, We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shriveled palm leaf.

· Quran-36:40: It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

Allah is indeed a great scientist. Where are the Sun and the moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other ? Are the Sun and moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (through observations with the naked eye) the Sun and moon travelling from east to west seemingly in the same part of the sky and on the same path. Yet they did not collide and continued to cause day and night, etc. Allah could hardly imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by the Sun’s rotation. The Sun is stationary for Earth, because the Earth is stuck in the Sun’s Gravity, just as we are stuck in theEarth’ gravity. Allah never says anywhere in the whole Quran THAT THE EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel Earth’s rotation.

A Resting Place for the Sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS (?)

· Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does the Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle could say better. Then the Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the Sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon earth”.

Can anybody tell me what it is? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such a fairy-tale today.

Why Allah created Stars:

· Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:

· Quran-67:5: And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…

· Quran-37:6-8: We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.

Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.

Sky/Heaven is Nothing but A ROOF or Canopy over the Earth:

· Quran-21: 32: And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.

· Quran-31:10: He hath created the heavens (Skies) without supports (pillars) that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm Mountains/Hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed…

· Quran-21: 32: And We have made the sky ( heavens ) as roof (canopy) well guarded…

· Quran-2: 22: Who has made the earth your couch, And the heavens (Sky) your canopy

Modern science tells us- the Earth is entirely surrounded by space and there is no boundary even if we go billions of trillions of miles in any direction. The question is: If there is no sky above us then how in the world does the question of pillars come in? Do we really have a roof above us? Is there a canopy (Shamiaa’na) above the earth? In most Bengali translations of the Quran all Maulanas write: Allah akashke samiaana bannei-ese.

The Quran claims Allah gives rain from above! Ordinary People consider Allah as residing in the sky above the earth. But in cosmological science there is no up or down, that is, earth revolves and there is no fixed above or below for the earth. Every direction in outer space can be up or down. Are mountains there to prevent the earth from shaking? Give me a break!

Once again Allah considered the sky as a roof over the earth which will break/be shattered during Doomsday

· Quran-78::19: And the heavens (sky) Shall be broken (opened) as if there were doors opens…

· Quran-82:01: When the Sky is cleft asunder

· Quran-69:16: And the sky will be Rent asunder, for it will that day be flimsy(soft)

· Quran-81: 2: When the stars fall, losing their luster.

Yousuf Ali comments in his Tafsir: The beautiful blue sky overhead (which we take for granted in sunshine) will be shattered to pieces. Modern science tells us that there is no such thing as a roof, sky or any canopy over the earth, rather all around the Earth is limitless space. Only Allah knows what will break/get shattered or will get soft/flimsy or how doors will open - there are no walls, so where will doorscome from? In some Ayats Allah threatened kafirs by saying: “I (Allah) will throw broken pieces of sky over your head.”

Sun and Moon Rotates:

· Quran-31: 29: Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the Sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.

· Quran-21: 33: It is He who created the Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them swim (float) along in its own course.

Ayats mentioned above could be found over and over again and again in almost every page of the Quran. This is because Allah, standing in the open Arab desert, saw very well that every morning the SUN was rising from the east and gradually (at the appointed time) setting to the west, and as a result, day and night follow. Allah actually shared this misconception (the Sun moving) of pre-historic people. Every time Allah speaks of the Sun & Moon, he referred to Day & Night, as if it is due to the Sun’s movement that day and night follows. But surprisingly, all the hypocritical Mullahs give false credit to Allah by saying: Look, the Quran described the Sun’s movement 1400 years ago, which modern science only found out now. In the real world, the Sun takes 225 million years to make just one complete circle through the galaxy. And obviously this movement of the Sun has nothing to do with DAY & NIGHT of the earth. Actually, the Sun is stationary for the earth in a real sense, because the Earth is stuck in the giant gravitational force of the Sun. The Earth also moves along with the Sun wherever it goes, just the way that we are stuck to the Earth’s gravitational force and do not feel Earth’s movement at all. Why then, was Allah referring to the Sun’s movement again and again? I have already mentioned above, why Allah was mistaken about the Sun’s movements. Now dishonest Mullahs are claiming that this is science here. I wonder why Allah has to mention about the Sun’s 225 million year journey to tell about day and night? What does the Sun’s movement have to do with the day and night?

Earth is Spread Out Like a Carpet (Flat)

· Quran-15:19: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable;

· Quran-78: 6-7: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?

Allah was sure that the Earth is flat like a carpet and that mountains are there to anchor the earth so that the Earth does not shake with us. Allah is really an excellent scientist.

Here in this Verse, Allah Challenges People: Who Can Tell Whether the Conceived is Male or Female?

· Quran-31:34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is With God (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He who knows what is in the wombs of mothers….

Who does not believe the fact that, actually mankind can predict very accurately (99.5%) when rain will fall and can predict (99.8%) the sex of the child inside a mother’s womb? Scientists also predict that, in the next five years weather predictions will be successfully correct almost 100%. Perhaps Allah could not imagine this.

Man is Created From Clotted blood?

· Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the clot a little lump (fetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators.

(Bengali translations of the Quran read: “Zamaa’t Raokto theeke Manoosh banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran)

· Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned…

· Quran-96:2: Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood

There are serious scientific problems here:

A blood clot can not grow into anything. This idea came from the Greeks. Aristotle erroneously believed that humans are originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. The Quran’s assertion on the clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage, in which case the clotted blood which is seen to emerge (much of which comes from the mother) is solidified and by definition no longer alive. Therefore, if ever an embryo appeared to look like a clot it would never develop any further into a human; it would be a dead mass of bloody miscarriage. Since Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had some thirteen wives it is entirely possible that he would be very familiar with miscarriages.

Modern science tells us that the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to birth, hence there are no hard-and-fast boundaries of stages as the Quran described. The Quran described 4 stages which matches exactly with Galenic description of the development of the human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).

Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. ___Moore of Canada____, the tissue from which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran tells us). Moreover, most of the muscle tissue that we human have is laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify (strengthen with calcium) right into one’s teenage years. So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to develop at the same time as bones, but completed their development earlier. The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis.

Also, the idea of saying: “made into bones and clothed the bones with muscle” came from the technique of making animal statues (Moorthy) out of rod and cement or mud. People usually make the skeleton (out of rod or stick) first and, then cover it up with cement or mud. This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It is rather a description of a layman.

Which one is correct?

· Quran-2:256: There is no Compulsion in religion….

OR

· Quran-9:29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.

· Quran-9:5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….

· Quran-47:4: When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….

· Quran-2:191: And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

· Quran-8: 65: O Apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight…(against) unbelievers.

Very often apologetics claim that, Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion. Yet, punishment of an apostate in Islam is, of course, death penalty.

In Many Ayats Allah Claimed That, He Has Given the Quran in Easy and Clear Language so that, it will not be difficult to understand by ordinary Arabs.

· Quran-44:58: Verily, We have made This Quran easy in the tongue, in order that they may give heed.

No matter which translation of the Quran we read, the Quranic materials remain the same to us and every sentence is self-explanatory. It does not take a rocket scientist to comprehend the message Allah wanted to transmit for Arabs. Yet, bigoted Mullahs will always blame translators for Quranic contradictions/errors/inconsistencies etc. and will try to find lame excuses to cover up Allah’s ignorance.

Comments:

The Holy Quran is full of inaccuracies, contradictions, inconsistencies, redundancies, a lack ofchronologies or chapters, grammatical errors etc. One can find hundreds of contradictions/errors/inconsistencies in the Holy Quran and the above mentioned ayats are just selected samples from the Quran. But still it is a miracle to those who are blindfolded bigots.

TO BE CONTINUED...

 

CONTINUED...





It is fairly clear that the Bible manifests the attribute of having many specifically fulfilled prophetic predictions, which constitutes powerful evidence that the Bible truly originates from true prophets of the true almighty God. The Bible meets the challenge which God (YHWH) set out: To predict events of human history. --- In contrast, however, there does not seem to be a single specific prediction of human history in the Koran which is unique and original to the Koran and was not found in the Bible first (such as some end-time judgment concepts). This lack of predictive power is an announcement that the Koran does not clearly demonstrate God's power and authority within its pages. It fails to meet God's challenge.

What's more, when the Bible's predictive prophecies by comparison are pulled into the discussion, the failure of the Koran to demonstrate such power of truly being authored by the true God stands out even more. --This situation is glaringly exhibited when one compares it to something like the amazing accuracy of the predictive prophecy of Jeremiah (cited above) concerning the 70-year captivity of Judah in Babylon, which ended right at 70 years!

Similar to Jeremiah's 70-year prophecy, the prophet Daniel accurately predicted the year (hundreds of years in advance) in which the Messiah (Jesus of Nazareth) would be ministering! --and if you want to study that particular prediction more in depth, as well as additional fulfilled predictions from the Bible, they can be found on a page on this website, entitled:
Prophetic Predictions Prove the Bible's Authority.

Concerning the evident inaccuracy of the prediction in Sura 30:2-4, it seems to be very significant evidence which disqualifies Mohammed as a true prophet of God. It might be possible that Mohammed never actually intended to be considered a prophet, nor that the Koran was to be thought of as scripture, but that Mohammed just wanted to write commentary and human opinions about God, so that the Koran may be considered to be a history, or great prose and poetry, and a religious commentary, however, it cannot be said to be actual scripture with the true words of God.

Because of its fulfilled prophetic predictions, it is the Bible which stands high and exalted as truly originating from God, and it is YHWH of the Bible who distinguishes himself as being the true and living Almighty God! It is the Bible which can be trusted to describe who God truly is, what he is like, and what his requirements for salvation actually are. He is the one who sets out the challenge for anyone else to foretell the future.

I am aware that many speakers of the Arabic language --including Arab Christians-- use "Allah" as the noun which means "God" in a generic sense, however, because of the absence of predictive prophecy in the Koran, we would have to say that the Quran does not give evidence of being able to accurately or fully reveal who "Allah" truly is, but instead one must go read the true prophets in the Bible in order to know who "Allah" really is. We must conclude that "Allah's" true personal name is "YHWH," the tri-une God of the Bible.

If we consider that both the Koran and the Bible make claims to be protected and preserved from significant falsehood and corruption, we must rule in favor of the one book (the Bible) which repeatedly demonstrates the mighty power of God to predict specific events in the future, and therefore it would logically be the book which would also have God's power behind it to protect it from corruption!

The Koran does accept the Bible as being true revelation from God (and so it should), however, the Bible's standard rejects the Koran as revelation from God because the predictive power of God is not present there.
---So I commend to you, dear reader, the only true and tested Word of God: The Bible. Heaven and Earth may pass away, but it will never pass away (Mat. 24:35) ...and we can trust these words from Jesus, because he gave a prophetic prediction (among other predictions) that he would be resurrected after being dead for three days (Mat. 12:40 + 16:21) ...and resurrect he did! (Click here to read evidence).

[size=+2]DIFFERENCES IN TEACHING[/size]

Now, when we compare the teachings of the Koran and the Bible, we encounter some significant differences and conflicts in teaching, such as the quranic idea that Jesus of Nazareth did not die on the cross for people's sins, whereas the Bible clearly says that Jesus did die for the sins of those who trust and believe in him (Rom. 5:8).

People wonder which one to believe? --The Koran or the Bible?

Well, after considering the determinations of fulfilled prophetic predictions outlined above, the rational thinker must clearly rule in favor of the Bible's teaching over anything else, and reject any un-proven writing which contradicts the Bible, because the Bible is the only religious book on Earth which demonstrates the true prophetic power of God to accurately predict the future deeds of specific people in specific places during specific periods of time. YHWH-God said that we should not respect the authority or "fear" any supposed "prophet" who INcorrectly predicts the future, but rather, we should reject that man, because he is a false prophet.

[size=+2]A CHALLENGE:[/size]

In light of all of this (and in line with God's challenge at the beginning of this article) I offer a challenge anyone to give me from the Koran THREE fulfilled predictions that are comparable to the prediction in Jeremiah cited above (with fairly specific predictions as to person and/or place and time, as described in this web-page). The Bible has several dozen such fulfilled predictions, and I offer congratulations to the first person who can find three such fulfilled quranic predictions... and I will definitely seriously re-consider whether the Koran may actually be from God.


--- (The first order of business must be the apparent false prophecy of Sura 30, which was not fulfilled within the time that Mohammed gave... unless Sura 30 is said to be history, and not prophecy at all.)

• Note: If any prophecy is found in the Koran which is virtually and essentially the same as a predictive prophecy from the Bible, then that quranic prophecy must be regarded as having been copied and originally coming from the Bible (so it cannot be credited to the Koran as a prediction), because the Bible is hundreds of years older than the Koran, and it is well known that Mohammed studied and discussed the Bible with both Christians and Jews in Syria and Medina (Read about this by clicking here or here or here). The fact that Mohammed was not ignorant of the Bible explains why some quranic prophecies, such as the end of history and final judgment, are quite similar to the Bible.

(For the time being, the only acceptable quranic wording for this discussion will come from the three English translations of the Koran, which are linked to at the top of this article.)


PEACE AND LOVE : )

 

Look at all of these statements:

heavens and earth in Six Days

heavens and earth in Six Days

heavens and earth in Six Days

heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

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created the earth in Two Days ?

He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days

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Notice anything? The FIRST four statements talk about "heavens and earth" being created in six days. The OTHER three statements talk about "earth" in two days, or "heavens" in two days, and "mountains, etc." in four days.

Now I'm not here to defend the Quran, but you really need to pay a little more attention to detail.

You can't just run all willy-nilly all over a book, picking out "x days" and expecting them to all be the same context.

Looking at these seven statements, there are not necessarily any contradictions. Perhaps he created heaven in two days, and then created the Earth (and mountains etc.) in two days, and then in the remaining two days "bestowed blessing" on the earth and "measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion."

Thus, the Earth was created in two days, finalized in another two, and all this after heaven was created in two days.

Makes perfect sense to me ... pay attention to detail from now on!

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This one is even worse than the last! Look at the first two statements: to the Lord, a day is one thousand years. And the last statement ... the measure of the day where angels and spirits ascend onto the Lord, that day is fifty thousand years.

One of these days, is for angels and spirits ascenscion. The other days are merely "days in the sight of the Lord" and have nothing particularly special about them.

Not to mention the fact that all of this could EXTREMELY easily be interpreted metaphorically, as hyperbole. When's the last time you ever heard a person refer to "a thousand years" or "fifty thousand years" and not be exaggerating?

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It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

THEN he TURNED TO the heavens. Which suggests that they were already CREATED. And he was merely dividing it into seven firmanents at this point.

Again, please, before you make a post bashing a book (whether Bible or Quran), at least try to see it from a differnet point of view and try to "make it work," otherwise the drivel that you put out won't hold up to scrutiny.

Since when did a Bible-hugger like you ever believe in modern science?! Hahahah! When it is convenient for you? What a friend/enemy relationship you have with human understanding.

Either way -- TRULY MODERN science tells us that there are MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS. Who said heaven had to exist in ours? One current estimate, if I recall correctly, called M theory, based off of string theory, estimates a total of ELEVEN dimensions. The three we exist in, and if you decide to count time as a dimension ... that leaves what ... SEVEN dimensions left? Or perhaps seven "firmanents"?

Back then, they didn't have fancy words such as "dimension." They probably had to rely on words like "firmanent."

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As for now, I don't have the time to go back and point out your mistakes in all of these, so I'll leave it to someone else to finish where I left off.

 

Youre seriously pathetic for doing this. Just because everyone points out flaws in the bible and you hate it, you start annoying others by dismissing their faith? Since when are forums about christianity meant for tackling Islam?

 

I was making a point to Catstevens... his avenue of attack is flooding people with loads of information.

 

What's that old Christian saying?

Oh yeah --

TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.

Or do you not have faith that God will take care of your personal problems?

 

I'm not saying I agree with JesusDiedForU's post. But, when have a bunch of Agnostic and Atheist people become experts on Christianity?

 

At leat CatStevens is friendly, and doesnt attack people. He is bit overly cheesy. You just come from a negative perspective and will be continually made into a fool.

Good clarification Hikaru.

 

That goes for all religion as well.

 

No, I don't think that's it at all. I think the fact of the matter is it's "cool" to rebel against
Christianity for young people. Nothing gets American and European parents angrier than a
defiant stance against the religion they were raised in. Which is a shame because it can be a beautiful expression of love, peace, and happiness. My point in the above post is everyone always has something to say about how Christians should act. Yet, hardly any of these people are Christians. I just don't understand it. If you are so concerned with proper Christian actions you should become Christian and show us how it's done. I'm not saying this out of spite either. I LOVE different Christian viewpoints.

 

i think the highlight of christians was WWI and WWII boy they did really enjoy killing each other by the millions.

 

When they looked into it further than most people, and then realized it wasn't worth believing in. ^_^

Still -- catstevens does seem to be flooding the Christian forums a bit. I think I'll do the Christianly thing here, and politely ask him in a PM to tone it down, or keep his topics on the main Religion boards.

(I love being more of a true Christian than Christians.)

 

You cannot be more of a true Christian than a Christian. Nor can you be anything near such as an Agnostic or Atheist. That alone shows your ignnorance of the religion. There's fundamental beliefs outside of just the way you act.By the way I'm not insulting your intelligence by using the word ignorant. I'm using it in the context of lacking knowledge of a subject.

 

Yeah, I agree with Hikaru. I agree with the point JD4U was trying to get across, but the way he went about it was sort of juvenile.

 

So you have to be a christian to know anything about christianity?

I am an atheist, but after 10 years in a baptist school and church 3x's a week I would have to say that I have a pretty good grasp on christianity.

And no, I am not rebelling against my parents. I have good reasons for why I believe the way I do.

It is interesting to see the tables turned though - JD4U is posting the contradictions in a religious text (which some believe to be innerrant), and we have Hikky the agnostic refuting it. I had to rub my eyes and make sure I was seeing this right, lol.

 

Sera, what are your good reasons?Please tell me. Thank you. Also, I'd like to point out the meaning of Atheist or Agnostic on this board for some reason translates to AntiChristian. Rarely, do you see these people on Muslim,Pagan,Hindu,or Jewish boards refuting their writings. Does this lend to what I said about the rebellion?

 

Lmao ... it was a joke, dude.

Seriously ... I think it's hilarious how you call ME ignorant ...

(No offense -- I'm not insulting your intelligence by using the word ignorant either, I'm using it in the context of lacking knowledge of humour.)

(And about the above line, that's another form of humour, called satire.)

(R)Amen.

Yeah seriously, wtf?

It just goes to prove my point though -- there are always two sides to an argument. Granted that I don't believe in the Quran or the Bible, I still think it's rash and ignorant to start spouting out contradictions that don't actually contradict.

I didn't discard my faith to obscure and misrepresent the nature of contradictions.

Firstly, Muslims often discredit Christian writings. Look at catstevens on these forums.

Secondly, pagans and hindus, and jews as well, all tend to have healthier mindsets, and they understand that there is little point to refuting nonsensical Christian writings, unless asked to do so.

 

i notice a difference between being an expert and knowing anything

Peace

 

Christianity is the main religion in the west. It impacts the lives of the majority of us atheists and agnostics far more than any other religion (most of us posting here are european or american), so I imagine that's why they're here more rather than in the Hindu forum or something. I've never had a hindu at my door trying to recruit me into their religion with threat of eternal punishment.

As far as my good reasons for not believing in a god, I am more than happy to have that conversation, but I'm sure it will be a long one. Let's just say that the entire cumulative history of christianity, and my experience in the church and around christians in general has failed to reveal to me any devine inspiration behind their religious beliefs, and in fact only has revealed to me devine egotisim, bigotry, intolerance, and ingnorance that is rampant within the religion.

Maybe some sort of "god" exists, but the christian god seems like an obvious creation of the human mind, chocked full of all the pettiness and prejudice typical of human egotism.

 

The point is... I would love to discuss and debate with him, but the way he discusses I would have to print out his posts and take a week just to glance over them.

I would love to learn more about his religion and why he believes what he believes. And in the process if he wants to refute the Bible, and maybe he would throw out a few questions here and there OR a few supposed contradictions. Most of the people on here do just that and I have no problem. It makes for good conversation.

But the way that Catstevens likes to debate is if you mention ONE bible verse he turns it into the longest Islamic Bible commentary in the world. I just wish he would limit his writings and actually have a conversation once in a while like the rest of us do.