mexican shwag or middies seeds

for those hipforums growers who have done bagseed grows I have a question. Is it better to grow from seeds you get from shwag or from middies. Like what is the difference in the end product? I know the genetics in eather is probably not going to be great but I was wondering what the weed was like after you grew it out? I know its suggested to grow with seeds from really good weed, but most really good weed doesnt have seeds in it.

 

Get a bag of middies that is from colombia. Mexican varieties almost always hermie- and they have an extreme amount of leaf on them. Manicuring mexican bagseed is probably the worst horror in the entire cannabis industry.
columbian, be it red or black or gold ( i prefer the black- or chocolate myself) on the other hand, has almost no leaf to the budstructure- is a breeze to manicure. and has a much lower chance of producing hermies as well.
thai can go either way with the budstructure- but unless your buying something like "vision thai" or "chocolate thai" seeds from a worked variety- you will get a high-extremely high ratio of hermaphrodites from bagseed thai.
I might have to plant 300 bagseeds a year to get 3 good females to clone from.
It's really only worth it- if your in search of lost varieties..

 

I have a chocolate columbian mother i rate every bit as highly as anything in my garden. It was from a bag of mids. I have plenty of famous strains to run against it.
East coast sour diesel original clone only,G-13 original seedstock, ect ect...
The middies can produce very nice product, but you'll need to search through a hell of a lot more than a ten pack my friend.

 

I can't get thai here anyways, so I'm not guna use that. I shoulda figured to use mids seeds, I just thought it'd be cool if you could get good pot from shwag. I've got a few seeds from good bud that I've saved up, Ill just germinate all of them I guess, see what sprouts. I decided against ordering offline because it seems like a gamble with customs and scammers not to mention its expensive. Thanks for the info tiedye

 

I stroingly disagree with tiedye420's statement that Mexican weed is overly prone to herm., and also that it is difficult to manicure.

The reason "really good weed" doesn't have seeds in it is because the growers of really good weed take excellent care of their plants, growing herm resistant plants and immediently removing any plant that has male pollen sacs.

 

man aint no difference between shwag and middies. either it sucks or it dont

 

your funny rangerdisagreer
try growing some michoacan sometime bro....

 

How's he supposed to tell where his schwag originated? Call up his dealer and be like "hey this schwag uhh did a colombian cartel bring it in or a mexican one?"

 

Why the columbian should smell earthy and sweet.
whereas the mexican will just smell like dirt.L.O.L.
No really, the best way to tell colombian is from the stone, it's really deep and pleasant- not too heavy on the body- as in burn-outish. But yet it's got a creeper body high to it- just not the burnout effect.
There was a time when any knowledgeable dealer would tell you what kinda weed you were getting.
Otherwise the buyer would be" what's this brown crap- it smells like earth or something"
"Oh thats' colombian man" If your like me and smoked weed in the 70's- you can look at almost any bag and tell if its colombian or not.....Not so easy with some of the golds- oxacan highland gold and colombian gold can be quite similar in a bag form.
but grow them out and you'll notice some differences........
It's all generalization- but a breeders main skill is his pallate. In otherwords the ability to remeber a taste when it hits the tounge.
I could definetly tell if you handed me a joint of true aulcopulco gold though. And i havent smoked it since the 70's.......
Not everyone has the ability or background to discern bagseed.
But when guys like me and ranger started poppin seeds in the ground- there were no seedbanks anywhere on this planet selling cannabis seeds, you had to use bagseed- or seeds from a breeder, or another grower you knew.
buying seeds is a definite luxury...

 

yea i'm born many years too late, unfortunately.

 

Yeah but if you watch a good cheech and chong movie it will hip you to how it used to work.......
Up in smoke has a funny skit about the dog eating the stash, and cheech had to follow his dog around for a week to get the stash back. After getting it back He says "now i guess it's aulcopulco gold and labrador"
But pretty much any dealer would know what product he had- if not- the buyers would not buy it. Back in the 70's if you couldn't name the strain you had- That meant it was some bunk shit, and you were passing it off as good marijuana.
The dealers turned it around on you guys- The buyer really has all the control and power to walk away from the deal......Dealers dont have nothing without their customers. In the 70's we knew it was all.
"tell me what that shit is or im not buying it" was the common attitude in the 60's and 70's....
tiedye

 

Damn I wish I lived back then

 

I don't think that's reasonable at all, because i've seen shit that looked one way but was really something else, many, many times. Could have fooled me. And Half the time too people just make shit up, to sell their product.

 

Yeah but in a small town in the 60's through the 80's- If you told people one thing and had another- pretty soon the buyers would "boycott" you and go somewhere reliable. It was different then, Now every body calls anything from across the border "redbud" or "brickweed".
Once in awhile you see what they call "green mexi".
There was a hightimes article about "strains of the world" or something like that.
Im pretty sure it was a cover story and shouldn't be too hard to find if still in print.
It categorized every known landrace strain at the time. There were somewhere around 157 sativas and 49 types of indica recorded at the time. Seedbanks did not exist- unless ran by the US government or a private person.I'll see if in can link us to the cover story backissue later....
Nowhere could you buy seed. If you moved to humbolt county to grow- the "union" would supply you with seedstock. If you grew your own strain in humbolt back then- you would get a visit from bikers with a warning and maybe ass beating.Next time they caught ya growing an "outside" strain- they might take everything you own- or kill you.
This was the was it was in the 80's in humbolt county- and to this day if your caught tresspassing you get shot at up there.But that's about the only tradition that's from "the days" and still in use.
But the strains were controlled- each county had it's own strain going in the "emerald triangle" at that time- and they wanted them to stay pure. They would supply you with the seedstock for one of the best strains on earth. But you had to grow only that strain. The seeds were free, protection would cost ya though. he he he...