Imagine something. It exists, somewhere.

You forgut that atoms do break apart themselves... But they reassumble back into the same of different atom. So the same goes with bonds and other things in nature. The object is destroyed but the atom is still there but smaller or in a different state.

 

If you convert the digits of pi into binary or some sort of imaging code (it doesn't matter what) or even into text, it will be able to describe, eventually, every possible situation of events, and every possible universe, and everything that has, will, and will not happen.

 

Huh? really, can you provid me with a link or somesort...

 

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pimatrix.html

This guy might be able to explain it better than I. His website is www.realitycarnival.com

Cool guy.

 

So everything is encoded in pi...that's pretty damn nifty!

Mm, pie.

Learn something new everyday.

-Bird-

 

i now that this was a couple pages back but, in response to the fact that the mind is finite because ppl cant comprehend nothingness seems to prove itself wrong. i mean if the mind is infinite then shouldn't it come up with an alternitive? even one that isn't necessarilly right? not saying that this theory isn't right however even if its not...shouldn't we consider it?

 

Squirrel. That doesn't. Make. Sense.

Just so you know..

-Bird

 

i was just saying that if the mind is infinite (which is my stand on this) then it should come up with alternitives, whether they are true or not. we should have more ideas then we need, reality can't be the only house for an infinite mind to dwell in.

 

I didn't forget that, really. I don't see how it makes a difference as to what I'm talking about, though.

 

Ok. That is much more easily understood my friend. Now I am not sitting here wondering if I have gone completely insane or you are suggesting that the mind if finite. Which would lead to you getting smacked I am afraid, because that would mean that you have learned nothing.

 

dont smack me! that would help nothing, i think i might just claim such a point to spite you! loljk. but seriusly ty for pointing out my babbleing.

 

i wouldn't say duplicates down to the last atom, nature makes two trees of the same species, not two clone identical trees.

yes i believe there is a world, slightly smaller then earth, with more land then ocean surface, yet nearly all forrest with very few deserts, as large, sea like lakes are distributed more or less evenly arround it. with rather small circumpolar oceans surround the ice caps at each pole.

it rains a lot and even snows quite a bit but other then perciptation, humidity is realatively low, even in the 'tropics'.

rather then wobbling or remaining in a stable tilt, giving the kinds of seasons we are familiar with, it tumbles end over end in a plane perpendicular to that of it's orbit.

think of the sun rising in the south and setting in the north at about the frequency of our months, in adition to the normal diurnal cycle of its spinning.

so every month is like a year of seasons and there really are no tropics as such, climatalogicly. what keeps the polar ice caps frozen i don't know. perhapse that is an erronious familiar conjecture that there even are any.

there's plenty of tecnology and even infrastructure, but government, where something analagous to government can be said to exist, is mostly out of sight and out of mind.

the sentient population is stable but much smaller relatively to their world then we are to ours.

i know this world exists because before being born into this one i lived there.

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think about a planet without plants on it only rock and water. and beast with a fleece of organic material. when the organisms communicate, their fleece comes alive and all kind of plants starts to grow on their body depending of what kind of message they want to show. the more they communicate, the more oxigen will be. so they communicate a lot. because they communicate often they really learnt to listen to each other which leads to understanding and love........ or something

 

hmmm interesting, i especialy like the or something part. leave it open to the posibility that your not necisarily 100% right. but that your describing the just of it.

 

And there is a planet somewhere that we don't kill everything and where we realize that we are not ruling over nature, but part of it...

 

So expanding on my previous statement--If what I said before is true, and there is every possible thing that could exist currently existing somewhere, then that would mean that there is a planet exactly like this one, except one day behind, you see? So this leads to my second conclusion, which has been reached by many people before, via many different paths of reasoning: Time is an illusion. We percieve the universe by moving our conciousness from one planet to another, one body to another, and what we think of as yesterday was really the same time as now, but just a different physical location. We are jumping from one physical location to another in our conciousness. So each planet is one "frame" from time, and so, potentially, I could visit the sixties. And I could return to the seventies. I could see the late fifties. If only I could learn to move my conciousness at will, rather than according to the standard pattern that most of us follow, where we go along as if we were in one constantly changing world, instead of constantly changing from one world to another.

 

not only couldn't we imagine it, it doesn't exist. there's nothing outside of the universe. it's like how there was nothing before the big bang, we're used to lines, not rays or line segments. the universe can simply be described as a hopelessly tangled lump of string that's actually many strings vibrating at the speed of light and the vibrations are elementary particles... our universe is also a bubble, surrounded by potentially infinite other universe-bubbles and because the bubbles shape each other to each others boundaries, we cannot concieve anything happening between universes. for one thing, the directions and the geometry would be fucked up. also, if it weren't just a boundary having zero volume, it could concievably be its own universe, which makes no sense. also, if the boundary has zero volume, what's stopping us from going further? maybe the only thing making people think that the universe is finite is the fact that we are only witness to the conditions of one big bang. if there were more than one, by the time we could detect it, we'd be completely fried by the energy of the other big bang.

this has become a mind orgy.

 

to the contrary, there is nothing that 'cannot' be immagined, rather, simply, an infinity of what has not as yet been.

nothing has to exist. nothing has to not exist. nothing that does exist has to begin and end with what anyone thinks they know about it.

so why not immagine to exist what we would like there to?

here's some of mine:

houses that look like rock formations. villages of such houses, surrounded by japanese gardens instead of streets, with little hernia gauge trains powered by batteries and recharged by solar cells instead of cars. and while we're at it, everyone having much prettier faces then anything human, soft purdy fur, with interesting and attractive markings, pointy ears, and long floofy tails.

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Well, I don't think that this can be true, because usually what is nothing? It's space, hence the name: outer space.

 

what is beyond this universe is another universe. and another. and another. and the super set of those there are others beyond as well.

and what is a universe?

it is a fraime of reference in which natural physical principals work the way that they do. it has multple dimentions in time space and spirit. each end every universe is all of these things. and each and everyone is big enough to be as good as infinite if not in actuality, to the very extent and beyond that this cannot be determined and may never prove determinable.

our own universe may contain a near infinite number of galaxies. and even one galaxy is mind bogglingly huge amount of space. even the distances in our own solar system are bearly comprehensable, and every pinpric of light you see in the night sky (that isn't one of our own planets or some such object) is another solar system like, but not just like, each other or our own.

and a very large percentage of those stellar (solar) systems could contain one or more earthlike planets harbouring sentient, i.e. self awair, immaginative, creative, life, like without having to look anything at all like, our own.

and somewhere, one of them, is a world of trees, trains, computers and relative solitude, where aggressiveness, austentation and the private passinger automobile do not exist, have never been invented, and would not be welcomed to be imported from anywhere else. a world that already has translight space travel and gravity modulation and the cultural maturity to send its representative to a kind of galactic united nations. one that is not dominated by any one world or federation or so called 'security council'.

that world i call lananara. i also call it home.

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