Is God 1 or 3? [Or] Is Jesus God or part of God? [Let the Gospel answer]

No Cat, I don't worship three Gods, because the Bible tells us that three persons equal one God. You don't believe the Bible, so you call them three Gods.
The act of murder is taught by your faith, and that is why they wanted to kill that Moslem who became a Christian. And this praticed is believe by many in your faith around the world.

You try to put words in Jesus mouth because of something He did not mention, how about listening to the words He did speak.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, (Martha) I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26. And WHOSOEVER liveth and believeth in ME SHALL NEVER DIE.

I BELIEVE THE WORDS OF JESUS CAT. Did you notice that Jesus did not mention the Father? He did not have to, because as Jesus once said. If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Even thought Jesus is seperate from the Father, they equal one God. And if salvation is based on the Father and not Jesus Christ, then Jesus was lying to Martha in John 11:25. Because Jesus told Marth, WHOSOEVER believes in ME.

 

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Never read such a verse stated by God or Jesus in the 4 Gospels or the OT.​

God the Father (1) + God the Son (2) + God The Angel (3) = 3 Gods.​

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John 11:25: Jesus then said, "I am the one who raises the dead to life! (CEV) è (Link)​

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John 11:25:… "I am the One Who raises the dead and gives them life. (NLV)​

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Of course, literally, isn't Jesus who is doing that, God (The father) did all these marvelous miracles through the Messiah (may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as we can understand this from the following verses:​

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John 5:30: By myself I can do nothing​

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John 8:28: So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own ​

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Acts 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know"​

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Allah supported his messengers with marvelous miracles as proofs of their prophet hood.​

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John 5:36:… which I am doing, testifies that the Father has sent me.​

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Let's read some former verses of john 11:25, we read:​

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John 11:17: On his arrival, Jesus found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. …When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, … Martha said to Jesus, … I know that even now God(The father) will give you è (Jesus) whatever you ask."… 38 Jesus, once more deeply moved, came to the tomb. It was a cave with a stone laid across the entrance. 39"Take away the stone," he said. "But, Lord," said Martha…"by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days." 40Then Jesus said, "Did I not tell you that if you believed, you would see the glory of God?" (Yes, she should believe that he is the messenger of God who sent him and that God can do this)So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, "Father, I thank you that you have heard me.è (I.e. Jesus asked God to raise the dead man and God heard him ^^) I knew that you alwayshear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me."As I said: Allah supported his messengers with marvelous miracles as proofs of their prophet hood and that God is existed.​

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We should believe in Jesus as the Christ the Messiah, the prophet and the messenger of God, to have eternal life in hereafter; this is right and very true. Of course we have to believe in other things as well to have the eternal life. God ordered us to believe in Jesus, so, to have eternal life we have to believe in him.​

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I do too, my dear brother =)​

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Much and tons of peace and love to you​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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Dear Campbell34
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You know that this was a metaphor; I already explained the verse somewhere, maybe in this thread in one of its previous pages.
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I totally disagree with you
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No. Jesus HAS NEVER LIED AND WILL NEVER DO SO, I already explained è WHOSOEVER believes in ME in post # 165
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Being the oldest version does not make it the correct version. Thats why most Christians follow the Majority text. It is the greatest number of copies from all over the world that are in agreement. And this is why Christians will not imbrace the Gospel of Judus. One copy, from one corner of the world, does not nullify the Bible. You will never understand the Bible unless you are willing to accept the whole Bible Cat. You cannot rip out Books, chapters, and verses, and then say, "I don't see it written here." The Jews knew who Jesus was claiming to be, they did not have Him killed for doing good works. They had Him killed, for claiming to be the Son of God.

 

When it states that these three are ONE, there is no counterdiction. Just as there is not counterdiction when the Old Testament states Let US make man in OUR image, and in OUR likness. Both the Old and New Testaments are in agreement here. The only counterdiction comes into play, when people do not want to believe what is clearly stated. When the Old Testament states that God alone made all things, and when the New Testaments claim that Jesus Christ made all things, there is no counterdiction there either. Because the Father and Jesus Christ are one in the same God. The only ones who have a problem with these verses, are those who don't believe the Bible.

 

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HI again brother =)​

Gospel of Judas!!!! I think you wanted to reply to other thread probably =) ​

My dear brother even so, the Bible doesn't talk about three Gods ​

I didn't do that my brother =)​

Nobody Killed Jesus, even if he claimed to be the Son of God he didn't mean it literally my very dear brother. I don't remeber in which Gospel I read about this (Jews and Jesus caliming to be the son of God).​

Peace and love ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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we already discussed that? ​

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Peace and love ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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(Click) Does [Genesis 1:26] point to a triune GOD? ​

agreed =)​

Jesus didn't create anything according to the bible. (I am not talking about paul's letters) He has never stated such thing, nor there is such a verse, plus,​

John 5:30: By myself I can do nothing ​

Jesus said: "And this is eternal life, that they may know Theeè(the father) the only true God" (John 17:3)​

Peace and love =) campbell ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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Yup, welcome sister ^^
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Hello to you too, and thank you for joining us ^^
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Very true =)
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We shouldn't blame the religion or the religion isn't responsible at all, rather religion will never ever be responsible for its followers' deeds when they are doing things against the teachings of their religion or when they are not practicing it and we shouldn't judge a religion according to its followers deeds because many people don't practice their religion.
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None is perfect but God =)
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Isn't acceptable excuse my dear sister in my POV, if Jesus' disciples left him in his last hours according to the Gospel, it doesn't mean we should do so! If God wants us to follow a particular religion then it is better to do so. We all do mistakes dear, we aren't angel =) but we have to learn from these mistakes =) sometimes through mistakes we understand life, God, ourselves more and more =)
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I guess so, you indeed picked a Good and great example to follow (Jesus the Christ) peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, congratulations dear sister ^^
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In my POV religion isn't against science, concerning the rest of what you've mentioned do you think that they are real! Or greater than what God wants from us (to follow a religion) more important in this life and hereafter, or you know what ignore this now, it is of topic ^^
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Did you ask them why they don't accept such things! The most important thing in my POV is what God accepts =)
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I don't know if you know when these letters were written and regarding the very earliest Christians here is a link about them and their belief in Jesus and his message, for more click here(1) (2) (3) (4)
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I think they referred to angel Gabriel as the Holy Spirit.
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For more click Does [Genesis 1:26] point to a triune GOD?
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For more click What does John1:1 really say and mean in Greek?!
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Regarding the rest of your post #172 all these are theories.
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I have never found in the Bible (4 Gospels +Torah) such concept of God, he is one, Jesus is a man (prophet), the Holy Spirit is an angel, that what I found, I want proofs, I don't care what Paul said, what did Jesus said, what did the Father sated? This is what I care about.
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Jesus said: "And this is eternal life, that they may know Theeè (the father) the only true God" (John 17:3)
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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John 18:36,37
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here." Pilate therefore said to Him, "Are You a king then? "Jesus answered, "You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."

Cat, Jesus said He has a kingdom and is a King. And He told Pilate that he was correct in saying that. Jesus also stated that the ones who believe this are those who embrace the truth.

In Matthew 28:18 Jesus stated. "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."

In John 5:22,27 Jesus stated. "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, and has given Him authority to execute judgement also, because He is the Son of Man.

Jesus is the Messiah and He tells you this in John:25,26.
The woman said to Him, "I know that Messiah is coming" (who is called Christ). "When He comes, He will tell us all things." JESUS SAID TO HER, "I WHO SPEAK TO YOU AM HE."

Cat, Jesus was more that a prophet, He is the Messiah, He is a King with a Kingdom, and all judgment in heaven and on earth has been given to Him.
I believe this, because I believe the Bible, and I have seen the power of Christ. Also, the work of Christians around the world shows me that they represent a God of order and Love. And when I see so many from the Moslem faith rejoice in the killing of the innocent, I understand they represent the works of SATAN. And Jesus did say, you shall know them by their works.

 

Dear Campbell,​

I really do appreciate every single moment you spend it with me , thank you brother, thank you very much =)​

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Now you pointed to 4 points, I have 4 points too, notes and comments on the above verses [John18:36-37] I don't know with which one I have to start, however, Let's read the verses again:​

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(KJV)Jesus answered, My kingdom(4) is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants(1) fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews(2) : but now(3) is my kingdom not from hence. Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then(4)? Jesus answered(4), Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice​

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Followers (MSG) (AMP) ​

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God owns everything, he is the king of earth and heaven, and if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servantsfight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews!!!!!!!!!!! How exactly to be his kingdom in this world is relevant to his followers should fight! I mean does he mean that if his followers will fight because Jesus shouldn't be delivered to the Jews, then his kingdom will be of this world, didn't he come to shed his blood! So he should be delivered to the Jews right! Why should his followers fight! Why should they help him if his mission is to die on the cross! you read this verse in (NIRV) as follows: ​

"My kingdom is not part of this world. If it were, those who serve me would fight. They would try to keep the Jews from arresting me. My kingdom is from another place."!!!! What does he mean by kingdom? Did I miss something or misunderstand something? Read #3​

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(KJV)But now is my kingdom not from hence​

(NIRV) or (NIV) "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place." + ​

So what does he mean by kingdom! I understand from thisBut now my kingdom is from another place, that before his kingdom was of this world but because his followers didn't fight then his kingdom became from another place, I could be wrong. Read # 4​

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Let's read John18:36-37 from other versions;​

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Jesus answered him, `I am not a king in this world. If I were, my people would fight so that I would not be given to the Jews. But I am not a king in this world.' ​

So Pilate said, `So you really are a king then?' (Is Pilate stupid? Jesus is saying that he isn't a king? However, in (MSG) you read Then Pilate said, "So, are you a king or not?") Jesus answered, `You say that I am a king. The reason that I was born was thatIshould tell what is true. That is why I came into the world. Everyone who likes what is true listens to what I say.'So, he didn't come to die on the cross! Or to remove our sins! Actually you read in (NIV John 4:34) "My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. "Move to John 17 you read:…lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; …And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (father) the only true God… I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. (See he has finished, he stated that before they captured him, do you know what happened!) Let's read Matt.26:39:And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt,è again: Jesus doesn't want to die, so he didn't come to die for our sins , God heard him and answered his prayer and saved him =) John 11.41-42:… I knew that thou hearest me always what happened after that!​

"… They said: "We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God." They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)…"But Allah took him (Jesus) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself …​

As I read in a haddeeth, When Allah wanted to raise Jesus PBUH up to the heaven, he (Jesus) went to his disciples and said: which one of you my likeness will put on him, and will be killed instead of me and will be with me in my degree (the same grade) in paradise? One of the disciples stood up, Jesus said to him: set down, then he repeated what he had said, again the same disciple stood up (three times) then Jesus said to him: you are that one. After that the likeness of Jesus was put on him, and Allah took him (Jesus) up.​

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John 18:37 (CEV) "So you are a king," Pilate replied. "You are saying that I am a king," Jesus told him. "I was born into this world to tell about the truth (not to die for our sins). And everyone who belongs to the truth knows my voice."​

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Jesus answered him, `I am not a king in this world. If I were, my people would fight so that I would not be given to the Jews. But I am not a king in this world.' ​

So Pilate said, ( (MSG) "So, are you a king or not?") Jesus answered, `You say that I am a king. The reason that I was born was thatIshould tell what is true. That is why I came into the world. Everyone who likes what is true listens to what I say.'​

I love you dear precious Jesus and that's why I listen to you, wish to be your futuristic disciple ^^, Amen.​

John 17:3… this is life eternal, that they might know thee (father) the only true God…​

Peace and love​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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Jeremiah 31:33-36:

"This is the New Way of Worship that I will give to the Jews. When that day comes," says the Lord, "I will put My Law into their minds. And I will write it on their hearts. Iè (The Father) will be their God, and they will be My people…"If these laws change before Me, then the children of Israel will stop being a nation before Me forever."​

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Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord."[This confirms that Jesus preached to worship One and Only God, not trinity.] Does God have a God? (Our God is one Lordè our points that He is Jesus' God too?) Jesus said: "And this is eternal life, that they may know Theeè (the father) the only true God" (John 17:3). And because God is the only one who should be worshipped, John 4.21-34: (Jesus) saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Fatherè (he said the father he didn't mention the son nor the Holy Spirit, he only mentioned the father because the father is God and God only should be worshipped). Ye worship ye know not what, we know what we worship… and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father…for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Israelites or (Isaac's descendants) Allah revealed to them two books yet they didn't appreciate it, that's why, Matthew; 21: 43: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation (Ishmael's descendants) bringing forth the fruits thereof.We Muslims =) aren't we? "If these laws change before Me, then the children of Israel will stop being a nation before Me forever."​

There is bunch of prophecies about Muhammad in the Bible =) He is the last messenger of Allah (THE Father) =)​

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Yours Sincerely,​

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Peace and love ​

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Cat, no one really wants to suffer and die. The Old Testament tells us that when God's Holy One comes He would feel pain and suffer just like us. Jesus did not want to be nailed to a cross, and humilated. And no the Father did not come and save Him, for the Bible tells us this much. He died on the cross, just as history, and the Bible tells us. If you believe otherwise then you believe a lie, and this lie is not supported by any creditable historical text. The king of this world is Satan, Gods Kingdom will come after Satan and His followers are defeated.
Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies, and those who deny Christ will pay the price. And Cat, Jesus did agree with Pilot when He said, "you say correctly, I am a King." He said, HIS KINGDOM was not of this world. And that is why Jesus also said, "I go to prepare a place for you, so where I AM, there you may be also." He returned to His Kingdom, and in the end, HIS Kingdom will descend to the earth, as the Bible clearly states.
Your belief that the Father ignored all of the Old Testament prophecies, and at the last minute pull Christ off the earth, is a fairy tale. And it's the kind of fairy tale, that will steal from you, your eternal life. And that is why Jesus makes the statement. "How shall they neglect so great a Salvation?"​

 

Cat, have you ever heard the term Leading Question? If you knew anything about the New Testament, you would understand that Jesus often ask questions with obvious answers. And that is what jesus was doing when He asked that question, "Why do you call me good?"

Jesus did not exclude Himself from being good, that was just you, not understanding the concept of a leading question.

Jesus statement that only God was good , was Jesus simply stating the obvious.

Jesus in the text did not directely tell the person to follow him. Yet even if He did, what difference would that make to you? Because when Jesus tells us that who so ever believes in Him shall have life eternal, YOU IGNORE THOSE STATEMENTS. Here again, is where you pick and choose what only supportS your view. Which means you must turn a deaf ear to the words of Christ. Jesus in many verses of the New Testament tells us, that He is the only one that can give us eternal life. YET YOU MUST IGNORE HIS WORDS.

CAT, DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST IS A LIAR?

 

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We already discussed that here is a summary​

(WE):Jesus answered him, `I am not a king in this world. If I were, my people would fight so that I would not be given to the Jews. But I am not a king in this world.' So Pilate said, ( (MSG) "So, are you a king or not?") Jesus answered, `You say that I am a king. (NOT I AM =Jesus) The reason that I was born was that I should tell what is true (NOT TO DIE ON THE CROSS). That is why I came into the world. Everyone who likes what is true listens to what I say.'​

We already discussed this verse, please stop repeating-summary​

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1 Corinthians 15:28 (King James Version)And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him...*Confusion* you are worshipping 3 Gods! Did I misunderstand Paul?​

No, but keep in mind dear campbell:​

Jeremiah 8. 8 " 'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely​

Peace and love​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​