My dog is bleeding from her nose

Well, like free2fly I have had some medical training and taught myself quite afew things about animal and human medicine. I have a dog that's 15 years old that has numerous problems and I usually treat them myself, as veterinary costs today are absolutely astronomical. For one thing, with your dog's eye problem, it seems as though there may have been some kind of infection in there that wasn't treated and has got worse-this could have spread to other parts of her head and be causing the bleeding from her nostrils. Do NOT ever give dogs aspirin-it could be causing the bleeding or making it worse, and will definitely cause her to bleed in her intestinal tract and have some of the symptoms you're describing. She needs to go to the vet-you can tell the vet you don't have a lot of money and to make a basic assesment of what is and isn't wrong with her so that you'll know whether it is affordable or whether the poor dog has a chance of surviving anyway. Give her dog vitamins with her food, don't give her aspirin. It sounds like her health needs have been neglected for a long time and she's developed serious problems because of that. Good luck.

 

To be blunt, your parents sound like animal abusers. Not taking the poor thing to the vet is terrible and is leaving her to suffer. And the disciplinary action you describe them using, or having used, is horrible. Animals should be disciplined lightly, like children, so they learn, not tormented like they have no feelings.

 

Are there any organizations that will take care of animals when their owners can't afford to shell out the money upfront? Maybe if you call around to some of the vet hospitals or animal shelters and explain your problem, they may be willing to take a look at her for a more reasonable rate. And then you can just get a neighbor to help you get there with her and deal with your parents later. I understand what it's like to not be able to afford health care for your pets, but i can't believe they are so coldhearted about her, and you. If they don't necessarily feel empathetic towards animals in general, they must see that it's tearing you up! I'm keeping both of you in my thoughts and prayers.

 

Well the eye part was a few years ago, and I think it was an infection or something. She never bled from her nose before.
My mom gave her an aspirin, more than once, when she sprained her ankle. I always thought it was a bad idea.
My parents DO have the money, I mean, my dad is an engineer with his own home company, they just don't like to spend it on those kind of stuff I guess, I think that they don't value the dog as much as I do. And my younger siblings don't seem to realize that there's a serious problem with the dog. I'll be getting my paycheck at the end of april, but the vet is pretty far.

Yeah and my parents, well they're from a farm, when cows have to change fields you call them and if they don't move you whip, or even if they move I see my uncle whipping harrd . Or if a horse is not good anymore you put it to sleep. And well my mom was kind of brutal when I was younger, so I guess it would be even worse with dogs. But somehow my dog loves my mom, not scared, she's scared from my dad, but my mom prepares all the bones and meat, goes for walks when we're at school, etc. And we buy those big dogfood bags from Costco, thye have vitamins and stuff.

Right now my dog is calm, not bleeding, there's just dry blood all around her and her paws are red. I'm gonna have to clean them soon.

 

Well, with the symptoms the dog is having, you can't wait 'til the end of April-you need to get her there immediately if you want to save her. I sure hope you can do something pronto.

 

Should I go see one even if the bleeding completly stops?
What should I tell my parents to convince them to go even if there's "no" problem?
I'm usualy good at finding reasons/arguing but this time..ugh...

 

Well, there is a problem. Even if the symptoms go away the underlying problems have to be diagnosed and addressed or they will get worse. Bleeding from those places is a real serious symptom, and even if it stops for a while it doesn't mean the problem has gone away. Those syptoms are indications of something that may be so serious that if it's not diagnosed and treated pretty soon, the dog may die. Just tell your parents that you really love your dog and that she's your friend and that you don't want it do die. Bless you and your old dog. I hope you can do this real soon.

 

Alright I had a little talk with my mom....the first things she said shocked me, stuff like "Oh it's a lot of trouble going for those walks every night, etc etc"..but then she came up with a good point that I totaly forgot...some years after we got the dog, we discovered that my little brother (11) is allergic to dogs. Not super seriously, doesn't get reddish or irritated, but he is allergic and it can cause asthma or something. So I guess that out of respect to my brother we shouldn't force her to live longer, and I don't know if she's in pain or not. If she is then I think it would be correct to put it to sleep, but not now, it's not the right time in my opinion.

My little sisters and brother cried a lot when we lost our parrot that we had for just a few months (we got a 2nd one now, not sure how long, a year?), I can't imagine how will it be if my dog goes away.

 

DON'T LET THEM GIVE HER ASPRIN THIS TIME!!! I am a bit of a health buff myself (I am starting school this fall to be an RN, and always got really good grades in Health class in High school, all that jazz). But the reason to NOT give her aspring right now is because of how asprin acts towards people: in thins the blood. It is a (most likely mild) bloodthinner. My sister has a blood condition that causes her blood to get dangerously thick (has resulted in 2 strokes, both of which she made almost a 100% recovery from, however, thank God) and at one time she was taking plavix (a medication to keep platelets, the things that make your blood clot to form scabs, from sticking together so much so she didn't get any blood clots in any arteries or veins) and Asprin, which thinned the blood.

This is an assumption, so don't take this as real vet advice, but are some conclusions I am drawing based on the asprin and the dog:
Given in moderation MAY be okay (I don't know how dogs react to it. Maybe like people, or maybe like they do chocolate, thus I am saying may). However, in a case where the dog is bleeding already, it may be dangerious because of one or more of the following reasons:
1.Dog's bodies are not used to certain things that affect their blood thickness or thinness. Ie, Vitamen K (found most often in green leafy veggies) thickens the blood. Dogs, being traditianally carnivorous, may not adjust well to an outside thing affecting blood thickness since they don't encounter it naturally like we do.
2.A dog's size, even a German Shepherd, is not much over half the weight of an average person's (if my estimations of one in good shape weighing about 60-80 pounds is correct) and thus what is the right amount for us, may be like taking a double dose for a dog (for example, one asprin may prove to be like 2 for the dog) and the asprin the doctor told my sister to take were Saint Joseph, a considerably SMALLER dosage, for use of lowering blood thickness.

PLEASE DON'T GIVE THE DOG ANY ASPRIN WHILE SHE IS BLEEDING AND DO NOT GIVE ANY MORE DOSES PERIOD WITHOUT FIRST ASKING A VET IF IT IS OKAY AND IF SO HOW MUCH TO GIVE!!!


That being said, I wouldn't worry about the concrete porch thing with the dog. Reason being, you did the right thing with the carpet, and the dog just has to get used to the concrete. Just as when people go barefooting, the soles of their feet hurt at first, and become tender but eventually build strong callouses, a dogs feet will do the same. I currently have 3 dogs living in pens on concrete and have doghouses with wooden floors. Only one dog (we have had 4 over time live in those pens) showed any sign of intolerance to it and the only thing he did was favor his paws a little. After less than a week, he was PERFECTLY fine. Your dog will eventually get used to it and when she does will have no further problems. By giving her the carpet, the has something to lie down on or stand on whent he concrete becomes too much. If she chooses not to lay on it, that is her descision.

I hope that helped you. I know what you mean about farmers and animals. A lot of them I have met care nothing about them except for proffit. Epsecially dogs, are mistreated (most likely because they bring the farmers no proffit.).

I hope you find out about your dog. But in your situation, if you really feel that your parents are endangering your dog's life, you may want to consider giving the dog away to a loveing home that will take care of it. At your age, the matter of its health is out of your hands (Unless you have a job). But I also know how hard is would be to love a pet and have to give it away. But if you know it would be in her best interest, it is something you may want to consider, if your parents are going to treat her that cruely.

And learn from their mistakes! Don't ever let history repeat itsself in a situation like that! Be strong when you get older and treat you and your kid's pets with deep love and respect. Don't treat them like they do. I really do NOT think that you would mistreat them anyway though, since you show so much compassion already.

 

Well, the allergies your brother has sound kind of mild, and you can always keep the dog outside-it soinds like your parents aren't that crazy about animals anyway, and they're looking for an excuse not to have one,but she is your dog. Anyway, good luck.

 

No aspirin was given this time, only when she sprained her ankle or wrist my mom decided to give her one pill to relieve the pain.

About the porch, the pays are ok, it's the umm, how do you call it...here I'll find a picture on google..


Because the way she lies down, the side her back legs are rubbing against the concrete. And then she got a huge huge bump on each leg where the leg was in contact with the concrete (it did rip the skin to blood), that once bled cuz it got scratched again. Now they're are sort of smaller, but still not normal.

And about the farm, yeah sort of true, I remember when I was in Poland on vacation there was one dog that was sick, with hair falling off at some spots, they gave him tablet I think, not sure, long long time ago. But it's a family farm, not industrial so it isn't as bad as what you see in those PETA videos.

 

Well since we moved it's on the porch, and we can't keep her there all the time, this summer we are going to build the fence, I hope..so it will be better. It's more our family dog, not mince exactly but I chose her, named her, woke up at 3-4AM to take a walk when she wanted to pee when she was younger, thought her tricks, etc.

I say Thank you to everyone who is helping me / giving support

 

Im really sorry to hear that your parents are unfeeling for the dog. Some people are just like that -it's sad. But its obvious that you do care, and for that reason alone they should have offered to do something for the dog. It's not the dogs fault, or even your brothers, that your brother has allergies. But thats not an excuse to let the dog be neglected, either. And if money isnt a real big problem, and now they are making excuses, then it sounds like they just dont care enough about the dog. In this situation... I just dont know what to do. That must be so frustrating.

Its good that the bleeding has stopped some, and that she's not weak. Still, the bleeding was showing a deeper problem and shouldnt be ignored even if the bleeding stops.

what EvilEyva said reminded me of something else. Some veterinarians will work with you. I used to take my animals to a vet who was compassionate, and when we told him of our financial difficulties, he gave us lower fees, and worked with us and let us make payments for treatments. On one occassion even treating my pet at no cost. Sadly, alot of vets are strict on the money, just like most medical professionals. But there are a few rare ones out there that do care. Maybe you can try calling up some vets (start with the one who your animals used to go to) .. tell them the situation, that your dog has something wrong with it and you wont be getting a paycheck until the end of April. Tell them all about the bleeding, and how you are really worried about her. If they ask about your parents, tell them that your parents wont/cant pay for it. The vet will probably feel bad for you and work with you on the cost. Its worth a shot.

If you do manage to get her into a vet, make a list of everything you've described to us here. Every symptom she has had, anything unusual you have noticed. This will help the vet decide what tests to run. I would definately start with a heartworm test. Hopefully, its something not serious, but just a complication of old age, etc. Or maybe its something she can live with.

I do understand where your parents are coming from, in a way. Sometimes, when a pet is older, and there is a possibility -even a likeliness- of a terminal illness, its almost pointless in seeking out all the tests and treatment, because its may be very costly. If its a tumor that needs to be removed, if its a bad case of heartworms or cancer or so forth... and you cant afford it or if the dog would die anyway, its almost pointless. It may just give you the answer, but not slow the process of dying. In that case, if the dog was in pain or suffering, I would recommend putting it to sleep. But if shes not in pain, go ahead and let her live out the rest of her life.

I had a beloved cat that was diagnosed with Feline Leukemia (a viral cancer) years ago. He became so ill. But it wasnt curable, and there was nothing that could be done. The vet recommended that I put the cat down. But I chose not to put him to sleep, I nursed him back to health a bit... and it went into remission. He lived almost in good health for 2 more years. After that, his symptoms returned, but worse. Then I mercifully put him down. But he had those 2 years, and I got to share it with him.
Its a hard choice. Sometimes even a vet cant help us. Sometimes they can only give us the diagnosis, but not the answer.

In the end... what matters most is the care you have for your dog. If we CANT afford a vet, or if our parents are stubborn asses, and it seems that everything stands in the way.... sometimes the only thing you can offer your pet is love. Care for her, make her comfortable. Enjoy the time you have together.

7 years is older for a large dog, but they can live to be older than 14. She's a beautiful dog and looks like she has alot of life in her.
I personally love shepherds, and alot of other people do too. If -and before- your parents consider putting her to sleep, (even if she has a serious medical condition)- please, contact a German Shepherd "rescue" agency. These places will take the dog, even provide medical treatment, and put it in foster home, where it will be on a waiting list where someone else can come along looking for a Shepherd, who will give it a lasting home. I know it would hurt to part with her, but, if your parents want you to get rid of her, or have her put to sleep, please consider giving her over to one of the rescue agencies, if that happens.

I do hope you can keep her though.. but its a shame that she has symptoms like that, and if possible, she really should see a vet, just because blood is a hard symptom to ignore

 

Thank you for your time. Sorry for your cat.

I might call the vet, someday soon about it. As you can see, my father didn't go often to the vet with her, so she isn't known. I might just call to get some info, and answer whatever question they want, they might ask to speak with my parents and that may help to convince them. But tests are needed right? That's the hard part.

Are heartworms painful? Because she doesn't seem to be in pain at all, lots of energy, enough to run. Even when it was bleeding she seemed ok with it. She would lick her blood that dripped on the floor, but then more fell from her nose so she just went forward licking her blood, making a trail. But this is the first time ever she bled in those large amounts, first time out of her nose. My dad decided not to operate her so we get the menstruation blood.

Because she doesn't seem to be in pain, I think we can forget the sleep part, it would be too hard for my younger siblings to live through...a "natural" death would be tragic too, but then you got regrets for choosing her death when she wasn't in pain.

Right now I'm trying to find info about those problems. I think I've found the eye problem thing, it's called pannus..http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0087.htm luckily it only affected one eye.

What gets on my nerves is when I try to do what's best for my dog but my parents won't aknoledge, just like the porch thing, it made huge disgusting bumps on her legs. My dog started to jump down from the porch to go on the grass, but then she started to lie down and dig where my mom planted her plants, so my mom got mad and taught her that she's not allowed to go down the porch.

The best thing my dad did to her was probably building/remodeling her doghouse when we first got her. Real rooftiles, insulated walls, comfortable cusions. And it's also thanks to him that we got the dog. Story:
After watching an old (black and white) polish movie/series about WWII (but adventure/kiddy style) we all wanted a german shepherd. Few days later a job friend of my dad had 2 german shepherds who made 10 babies, and they were giving them for free. So we picked one, waited the few weeks where she had to be with her mother, and then kept her . When I was little I never tought that we would own a dog, even today I'm like "It's so awsome, we have a pet".

This reminds me, another family who also had a dog from the same family (brother or sister of my dog =P) told us, I don't know when, that their dog died (at a much younger age than ours), from some cause. Might be linked?

The maiiin problem is the transportation, if a friend of mine does the lift my parents will be ashamed of themselves and they'll say something like "No no, you don't need to get through this trouble, we will do the lift"...but they won't hold their promise.

Thank you very much, again.

 

get a job and make the money to take it to the vet

 

the problem could be the bones, bones are known to splinter especialy chicken and pork bones, are you giving her real bones or fake ones?

 

You have some options here:

Leave her and hope for the best - which isnt good for any of you especially her

You take her to a vet and explain to them

You phone a animal centre - over here we have RSPCA i know some states in America have different humane societys - get a number phone them - but say it isnt you - because by the sounds of it your parents need to be educated. If you where to call them explain what is the matter with her, they will come round and check her over and say if she needs to go to a vets, if she does they will tell your parents - if not they will educate your parents a bit.

Get someone else to take her to the vets

Keep nagging your parents.

Something needs to be done - it isnt fair to leave an animal in this situation xx

 

some times dogs poke around with theyr nose were broken glass is and bingo they manage to cut the nose . look and see if it looks like a cut . also encounter with cats "mean tom cats" or other animals.

 

good to hear the dog might be getting better - wow i loved the picture of the dag wow what a beauty

 

Alright, I took a walk now, she got really excited but it didn't bleed. She made a normal stool , it was black because she drank a lot of blood, but it wasn't liquid.

And I do have a job, I'm not sure how much money in the bank but I'm getting my paycheck at the end of april.
We give her real bones, never had a problem for years. And it startedyesterday night, she wasn't eating.
I don't think there's some broken glass, maybe whe I took her for a walk last evening she might have sniffed some, hmmm. But then why would it start, stop, and then start again later, and stop.

I'll find the vet's phone number, see if she could help.

My parents don't say a word when I ask them questions about the dog, they just do whatever they were doing, ignoring me.