Stalin was not a communist!

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by peaceloveandshrooms, Mar 28, 2006.

  1. Alden

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    I've barely read the posts but I just want to say, WHAT WOULD COMMUNISM BE WITHOUT STALIN!!!
     
  2. peaceloveandshrooms

    peaceloveandshrooms Member

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    Are you kidding? Stalin gave communism a horrible reputation when he wasn't even communist!
     
  3. Duck

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    what does this have to do with me being above others?
    you are a dumbass
    I had a list then, I realized nothing can really be set as a "right", seeing how everyone values different things. There are alot of people that are more focused on themselves. If this benefits them, so be it, could that not just be natural selection? Communism is not in human nature.
     
  4. Hikaru Zero

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    Nothing can be set as a "right"?

    Welcome to any country in the known world, where your rights to life, liberty, and property, are protected, and described legally.

    Rights exist. It is IMPOSSIBLE to deny that rights exist. What do you call a right, then? Put simply, a right is a claim to something.

    There are some fundamental, inalienable rights that exist for all individuals. By the virtue of being an individual and having an ego, we each have a life. This life, that which we call "us", is the most fundamental and basic part of "us" -- that is why we call it such. Any thing that is sentient has a claim to direct and control its sentience and self which creates the sentience. That is the right to live. That also includes the right to be free. The right to have property is not a basic inalienable right, because it can be argued that no sentient being has a claim over anything other than what is determined as its "self."

    Freedom and life are the two most fundamental claims of rights that all beings have, by virtue of being beings.

    And from those rights come other rights such as the right to owning property and more explicit rights like the right to operate a vehicle (when one has a license), etc.

    How can you say that there is no such thing as a "right" unless you are thinking of a different concept?
     
  5. Hikaru Zero

    Hikaru Zero Sylvan Paladin

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    You mean, what does "my inequality in being above others" have to do with "the equality of all people"? Or, simply, what does inequality have to do with equality?

    Come on man, ya gotta pay a little bit more attention then that. I could see "what does a yo-yo have to do with sauerkraut?" but this is a bit much.
     
  6. m6m

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    Communism is more than just an end result, it's also the dialectical means to that end.

    It's a realistic process that passes through many stages, and realizes that people who have been savagely brutalized generation after generation for thousands of years by the violence of patriarchal property aren't going to be in the mood for bourgeois pleasantries.

    If beat a chained dog every day of its life, and you set him free, am I going to blame you for my now shreaded cloths and this bleeding bite out of my ass?

    Am I going to blame the dog for not wagging his tale and licking my hand?

    The masses of Russia and China were chained like dogs, Stalin and Mao rose from amongst these masses, and were more humane than we have any right to expect.

    I would've expected worse than Stalin or Mao for at least the first century, and then probably expect some periodic brutal backsliding for the first millenium at least.

    Sure, I can stand and declare a high-minded philosophical manifesto, but with the liberated masses running wild in all directions, I would have been trampled under their running feet.

    Revolution amongst the masses is hard, brutal and no place for those who can't comprehend a mad-dog reality.

    Stalin and Mao are Communist in its most primitive stage of social liberation from the oppression of patriarchal property.

    That's why they were so loved by the masses, because the people understood what they were up against.

    The people understood that they were survivors, and just that survival was the symbol of victorious revolution in itself.
     
  7. Duck

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    no, what does my opinion ont he matter have to do with me thinking I'm above others?
    in fact, what does it have to do with me thinking anyone is above anyone else?
    we are all human, we are all living pieces of shit
     
  8. Duck

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    I am saying there are no set rights. A right is what a person (or society) feels that everyone deserves. Differnet people see different things as rights, it is opinion based, such as morals. We have legal rights, we have a sort of legal morality, but that does not mean it is a set belief.
     
  9. Alden

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    Okay, explain to me why some of you think Stalin was a good guy. I just want to hear everyones oppion.
     
  10. Hikaru Zero

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    He wasn't a good guy.

    Quite nasty actually.
     
  11. Actually, If Stalin hadn't existed, Socialism would probably remain as acceptable as it was in the early 20th century.

    He is a stain on an otherwise beneficial philosophy. Whilst probably not being perfect, it could at least draw attention from the strange myth that "Capitalism is the only way".

    Stalin was everything a leader should not be.
     
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