Do you worry about so-called afterlife?

Most religious people believe strongly in god because of their fear of death and afterlife.

If you are not religious, what makes you fearless?

 

I'll bet if you ask most religious people they'll deny that their belief is based solely on fear of death. So I guess I'm wondering how you know that.

 

If you understand death then there is no reason to fear the inevitable.

 

Well I'm 'spirtual' and do not fear the afterlife, that has never been a factor in my choices. It is inevitable, just part of the cycle of existing. Have no idea exactly what is going to happen, but figure we'll all find out soon enough.

 

I agree. Death is an unavoidable meeting. We are on a train, and can't get off until the ride's over.

 

however, organised religions are undoubtedly based on fear of death because their primary goals and promised rewards concern the afterlife. without the concept of afterlife, virtually all religions would cease.

as for OP, i fear death and i do not -believe- in an afterlife. who are the fearless ones you speak of? fear isnt based on logic, it is an emotion. if a person doesnt fear death, then theyre merely chosing not to think about it. death is hardwired into the human brain, the only way to overcome the fear is to believe in beneficial consequences of death, or to prevent yourself from, on an emotional level, accepting who you are and what you are losing through death. that is my oppinion.

 

Basically my feelings exactly. I don't really fear death, I just want to put it off a while I mean, hey, I'm only 22! I've barely just begun.

 

Here is why I do not fear the afterlife.

There was a man in the newspaper who was recognized for dying -- he is still dying now, but he is keeping perhaps one of the best attitudes ever.

He said once, "I do not know where I am going, but ... what am I doing here in the first place?"

If you think about it ... what is there to fear about an afterlife? What is there to fear in this life? Here, the only thing to fear is fear itself. The fear of death is only an illusion.

I also practice Zen Buddhism as a philosophy. That being said, the self is illusory, and no "death" can actually occur, as there is no "life" to begin with. The only thing constant is change. Sometimes, I have a difficult time believing this, though. I know it, I just can't easily believe it.

IMO, death makes life that much more beautiful -- the fact that we all have a limited amount of time on this Earth, is what makes it special.

 

I agree. I was talking yesterday with my Jehova's Witness coworker about his idea of paradise. Basically, their afterlife is just the Earth renewed where we live forever with no pain or disease. He was saying that though they don't say much about it because no one can know what it's like, but that after Armageddon and all the good souls are ressurrected, they'll have to do a lot of clean-up of the destruction. But after that, it will basically just be life as usual. We'll all farm/garden for our food, there'll be no money-economy, no meat eating, etc. He said there'd probably be no cars or phones, and he wondered if they'd have basketball because he loves to play, but then said "probably not."

I asked him what all we'd be doing all the time, with no sports, no work except our gardens. All he had to say was that it does take a lot of work just living, growing food and such. I said it wouldn't be hard to figure a way to grow the food efficiently so it wouldn't take much time, plus, the plants take care of themselves mostly. And really, if we have to do this for ever and ever, just farming, eating, sleeping, hopefully fucking...that'd get really boring after a while. Even if I'm not aging or getting sick, if I have the body of an 18 year old. How boring if you can't have games or adventures. What he described would definitely make me want to commit suicide after a few decades. But you can't die, so it turns into hell. I didn't say the last two sentences to him but I was thinking it.

 

No. That's why they call it the "after-life". It's after life .

No life. No worries.

 

the hebrew word for knowledge is "daath". add an -e subtract an -a, what are you left with?



death

 

*phew*

Glad I don't speak Hebrew.

 

"como" is the spanish word for how. Subtract an -o and add an -e and you have come. Far out dude.

Seriously man... you can change letters in words in any language, to get different words in different languages. What are you even trying to prove with this nonsense? That knowledge is death?

 

Da'at is actually spelled dalet ayin tav. Hebrew doesn't use the English alphabet. It doesn't have a true alphabet either. It has an abjad. While there are sometimes vowels marked around the letters, they are not necessary because the language follows the same laws of pronunciation, with some exceptions. The letters are all consonants.

 

well i dont really think its a coincidence, its not like daath is the hebrew word for salad bowl, instead it is variously translated as "mind", "opinion", "reason", "knowledge" or "wisdom".

and yes, -e, its one letter. that "como" comparison was stupid, and you receive no points.

 

And you lose two points.

One point for using the English alphabet to spell dalet ayin tav.

The second point for dissing his comparison, when it was the exact same thing you did.

Come to think of it, you should lose three points, because you spelled da'at wrong, which completely nullifies your argument about not thinking it is a coincidence.



By the way, it is a coincidence. The Hebrew alphabet has VERY few relations to English words, and the words that are influenced, almost never sound anything remotely like the Hebrew versions (just look at God's name, Jehovah, and how that came from "adonai," or Lord, and Yahweh, which is a vowelization of YHWH, which are often translated as YHVH, or [properly] as vowel sounds, IAUE).

I mean, there is almost NO relation to IAUE, Yahweh, adonai, and Jehova. They don't even SOUND the same, let alone look it.

 

ok, well here is where i first read about it researching the Kabballah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daath_%28Kabbalah%29

I don't think its coincidence, I mean, don't you agree that upon death we receive the ultimate wisdom, knowledge, enlightenment?

Oh, and as for the como thing and YHWH thing. Just because they're spelled differently doesn't grant the meaning any different. Take the Rosetta Stone for example, 3 different forms of scripture all pertaining to the same thing. So you don't think there can be exceptions in language where a word like daath can have the same meaning. The English definition of death comes down to a scientific and logical view of what happens to the human body. Yet Kabbalists had a different meaning, so daath and death are actually the same thing, pertaining to the same idea of death, just used in different context.

Here is daath and it's purpose with the tree of life.

"Whatever Daath's status, the point it occupies on the Tree of Life is important. The three Sephiroth above this point (Kether, Chokmah, Binah) are collectively known as the Supernal Triad. This triad contains all possible thoughts and all possible actions resulting from the absolutely infinite potential of Kether.

The human mind, even in its most advanced form, is virtually incapable of encompassing such concepts. Above the point of Daath we are in the realm of the unknowable." - http://www.mirach.org.uk/basic/daath.html

Sounds a lot like death to me.


Oh, and as for the dalet ayin tav thing, that doesn't pertain to the same thing I'm talking about. That is translated into "to know" probably a little different. But it is not the same as knowledge, or wisdom. Because one can know about anything, but this knowledge and wisdom I'm talking about pertaining to Daath, only comes with the afterlife.

 

No. Why would we recieve something like that?

Unless you believe in some kind of God that gives it to you.

Except that isn't death.

That's the afterlife.

When you die, there is nothing else. It's the end. Nothing else. No ultimate wisdom, knowledge, or enlightenment, whatsoever. It's the end of "you."

No shit?

And hey -- I'm willing to bet the opposite:

Just because they're spelled the same doesn't grant the meaning any similarity.

*cough* coincidence what?

These two statements are entirely unrelated.

The first statement talks about 3 different types of scripture.

The second statement talks about words.

No conclusion that affects the second statement can be drawn from the first statement. I don't see what you're getting at.

The Wikipedia article you gave me actually says nothing whatsoever about "daath" being related to "death" in any way, shape, or form.

Can you provide a source that does?

It sounds to me like you are confusing the concepts of "death" and "afterlife" or "ascendance."

In death, you do not exist. The whole religious argument over death is one that "you do not die, you only pass on to another life." Hence, absence of death.

Daath, on the other hand, speaks about the realm of the unknowable -- that is, the realm where human logic does not apply, and of which human understanding is limited and incapable of full comprehension of such a realm.

Death, has absolutely nothing to do with such knowledge or wisdom. Death is the cessation of the "self." At the point of death, there is nothing to do the comprehension or to learn the knowledge -- whether or not there is still knowledge to be learned, or whether or not there is now knowledge that can't be learned, is irrelevant, because you are dead.

That, I couldn't find any information on "dalet ayin tav." And I don't know Hebrew, so ... I can't say either way.

But, it does say this, in one of the links on Wikipedia: "Daath is "knowledge," which comes from experience and conscious realization of the experience. That is what we are attempting to do within the Sephira of Malkuth."

Experience and conscious realization of the experience -- these are completely and entirely incompatible with death. Maybe of the transition between lives, but not of death.

 

Yea daath and death, the words aren't related, but I find they're meanings ridiculously similar. My whole point was that our concept of death could be derived from the word "daath", which means knowledge and wisdom.

You say when we die there is nothing else, but what about people who have NDE's (near death experiences) ? A majority all have the same account of a bright white light, or they see themselves floating over their dead body, only to be brought back to this physical realm.

I do not agree with you that upon dying, which is only our physical body ceasing to function, there is nothing else. I beleive in a soul, a presence of energy, that breaks the bounds of this dimension. This "soul" travels into the realm of the unknowable -- that is, the realm where human logic does not apply, and of which human understanding is limited and incapable of full comprehension of such a realm because only upon death do you experience it and understand it.

Have you died? How do you know this? Did M Night Shamalayan use you for inspiration when writing the 6th sense because you can talk to dead people about what the afterlife is like? Sorry to be condescending but I don't think neither you or I can fathom what the afterlife actually has in store for us.

Of course you might not have the same views as me so of course the argument's and opinions of daath and death meaning the same thing will be bias.

The whole point was that because daath and death were so close, and only different because of a single vowel, what if they are inherently the same thing, which is my opinion.

To me death is nothing but a doorway into another realm, unfathomable by our minds at this point in time. Once we experience this "doorway", the light at the end of the tunnel many NDE's. This is the knowledge and wisdom we receive, the fact that there IS existence after death/daath, just not the existence of consciousness realization our psyche wants us to beleive in, because we haven't experienced it yet.

 

Yea daath is the english translation of the hebrew, Death is just the english translation of previous words in different languages. It comes from the Old English Deeth which your saying is "NOT AT ALL POSSIBLE" to have found its way from Hebrew or an Indo-European version of this hebrew word Daat.

Another biggie R33f3r Didnt mention is the Egyptian Book of the Dead, is also called the Egyptian book of what is in the daat. Plus who knows if it even applies to the physical death. It could be spiritual or ego death. Resulting in knowledge which is the basis of the gnosis which coincides to mean exactly the same as Daath.

You also said Adonai is the same as Jehovah which is incorrect. Neither is Adonai Yahweh, yet Yahweh and Jehova, as well as Allah, Baal, Jupiter, Indra, and Osiris, all refer back to the sumerian alien annunaki Enlil. This is part of the corruption and mistranslation purposely done by greek and Latin copiers of the Old Testament. When the Hebrews referred to Adonai, they did not refer to Yahweh. They were referring to Enki of the annunaki. Who is the savior of man, and satan of the Old Testament. When Satan, is actually in fact more like Yahweh who was a god of war, submission, and dominance over mankind. Vengefull and granted mercy only to those who bowed down to him.