An interesting thread about war and those who want it

There is an interesting thread in the Women's Issue Forum about the draft. It started as a "should womyn be drafted" thread. Now it has turned into a thread where Pro War contingents are saying those who are Consciencious Objectors are "selfish" and going on about "Freedom and Liberty." and the neccesity of a draft. The funniest thing is, the very people who are saying this are not enlisted in the military and all have excuses to not do it now. (chances are, as in the Bush Administration, they will always have excuses not to enlist, and probably find some way out of service if there is a draft.)

Anyway, if you are interested in looking at a discussion about the Draft, and how those who are in favor of it are almost always those who do NOT ever serve, take a peek at this thread. The vehement prowar stuff is in the last few pages.

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149265&page=1&pp=10

 

i get the same behavior from my brother, who is also unenlisted, and having a score of "reasons" why he "can't".

 

It always seems that those who are the most pro war, have "reasons" not to enlist themselves.

 

oh maggie, i think that kinda spin would make your hero G. W. Bush happy

edit: The thread was a hypothetical question on the draft. No one told anyone to immediately sign up an enlist..no one said there should be a draft for the iraq war. It was YOU who was making it political. I think it is FOOLISH and yes SELFISH to automatically rule out taking up arms under any circumstance. You don't think so? That's fine. I just happen to think that is SCARY. I'm sure you'd give up your anti violence stance if any of your kids were in trouble. At least, for their sake, i hope so.

 

so megara
will you join up and go to iraq?

 

I try to keep it simple. My message to the politicians of the former American republic: You'll draft my kids over YOUR dead body.

 

There is a difference between not joining up while still supporting the troops and not joining up while condemning them!

 

so megara
fancy joining up and going to iraq
i bet they'd love you over there
nah didn't think so

 

I dont see how supporting a draft(not for the iraq war...but in general) means you think i should automatically sign up. If i'm drafted i'll go. I plan to sign up for JAG when i finish law degree. Not quite the same, but oh well.


Maggie is against the draft under any circumstance. I think that is stupid.

 

Yes and there is also a difference in supporting our troops and supporting our administration's policies.
I really think you would have a hard time trying to find someone who doesn't support the men and women who have been dragged into danger for the selfish goals of this administration.
I support our troops... and I don't want to see another one of them killed in the line of duty to further our greedy interests in the middle east.

 

megara, you believe in the righteousness of the american cause. don't wait - your country needs you! wait a minute this is all a bit selfish isn't it, you are waiting for how many years before you join up (?), the war might be over. maybe when you become an old man you can tell your grandchildren about the time you nearly joined up for a cause you believe/d in. if you love war so much why won't you go to it? or maybe you could work in a government legal department and tell people the technicalities about why the third world war is valid and legal. the nazis used to have their own legal team for these circumstances i believe. yes its always easier to support the troops from thousands of miles away.
so - join up
i look forward to your blog from baghdad.

 

where did i trumpet the american cause in iraq?

Grow up. Maybe then you could tell your grandkids you werent an utter ass your whole life.

Maybe.

 

What exactly is the point you are trying to make? Must we be willing to enlist to have the right to argue about issues regarding the military or the draft?

 

exactly. The discussion was about the draft in general. Not the draft i regards to iraq.

Maggie and others just tried to turn it into a discussion about iraq.


I dont see why people call me hypocritical for talking about the merits of a draft. I"m not asking to be excused from a draft.

 

err..
sorry to burst your bubble on this one but...
we are in the politics forum in the sub forum of "america attacks" and maggie has put up her take on conscription. one would be forgiven to assume that she's refering to iraq unless theres some other major war thats going on that america has started (the afghan skirmish maybe?). as it is americas latest war (the war on everything) iraq is relevant.

i'm used to being told to fuck off by people who champion war but won't actually go. its funny that those who like to play devils advocate in the name of war never seem to want to go to war.

it doesn't change anything though - they never go but have thought about going (no really) but theres always some excuse. these are the hard yards for the believers, because when they sit down and examine what they say and what they do and realise none of it adds up they have to start thinking for themselves and not just blindly following the leader and doing some amazing logical and moral gymnastics to justify what they already believe in. i say to you - go and think about it.

 

I haven't told you to fuck off (I know you are not accusing me of that). I am simply asking if you think that one must be willing to enlist in order to have an opinion about conscription. I don't know what to make of the rest of your latest post.

 

You obviously didn't read the thread she linked. It was from the women's forum and was about females being drafted.

Maggie made it political, not the op. She repeatedly brought up iraq when no one made a reference to it. Even when told that we weren't talking about iraq, she persisted. I said i wasn't talking about iraq but a draft in general. The whole thing was hypothetical. She applied the political spin so she could use her "why don't you go enlist" card that she loves to play. Do you understand now?

As the guy above said: Do we need to enlist to have an opinion on conscription?

 

ah....
if someone posts on this site then it is commentary on a subject and opening debate. assuming that she is a super moderator then she would know this. as iraq is in the news, americas current war, the draft question will always inevitably lead to it.
as you will not back up your convictions with action (ie joining up) and still haunt hippy.com with your fellow travellers selling the righteousness of the war with the skill of a snake oil salesman, i can more or less say what i like - within reason. either join up and live out your alleged convictions (instead of letting other people do it for you) or lump it here in hippyland amigo.
regards

 

Megara,

What is the purpose of war?

 

I gather from this post that you have chosen to remain ignorant.

Sorry, not worth the time.