Welfare system

We need to crack down on all of these scum in the innercity bowels of America! When the hard working american man makes money, and brings home a check, the taxed amount is sectioned off and a small amount is given to the gov'ts welfare program. And, in retrospect, i ask "WHY"? So we can feed the mouths of the bastard children of a mother who's had 9 kids, all with different men!? Then, they all turn around and blame "the man" or "whitey" for their problems. "We never gave them a chance" BULLSHIT! They had their chance, and blew it on crack and whores. If all of these blacks and white-trash folk cant take a stand for themselves and get a J.O.B, then why should they even be allowed to recieve welfare from hard working people such as myself and many other pissed-off individuals. This needs to change, to hell with Iraq, the problem is here, in the USA. And this is only the beginning of the troubles with the race structure in America. Im not trying to come off as some hick rascist, but i think these issues need to be addressed IMMEDIATLEY!

 

so much anger, directed at people you don't even know...you must be very lonely.

 

hmm...I agree, a lot of anger.


I am not opposed to welfare and taxes, but I do think that it is a major problem. Thing is, the issue isn't all black and white, you can't look at it that way. Crack and whores is not the resaon all these people are on welfare.

There is a problem with mothers on welfare that continue to have children, however. The more children you have the bigger your welfare check is. But the problem is lack of work and lots of oppression in these places. If you go the the areas where most people are on welfare you will see that there is no jobs, buildings are boarded up, houses are falling apart...no one wants to live this way. Many feel they don't have a choice, and that is a problem.

Baiscally, what I am trying to say is that the problem isn't necessarily welfare...it is a much larger problem that that. On average, an African-American makes $15,000 less a year that white workers. You also have to look at the towns. THe city I grew up in lost 30,000 jobs in the 80's. Those people were not able to get other jobs because the plant closed down, then retail started closing down next, when no one had money to spend. The jobs just wern't there. Those are hard-working people that in just a few years were turned into what you would consider "blacks and white-trash" and had no choice.

 

when a woman in the system has a child, the increase of a welfare check for a month is $60 per child, or at least it was a few years ago. $60, for an entire month.


i realize everybody knows someone who knows people on welfare with dozens of kids in designer clothes, and they are all driving cadillacs. most people also know someone who knows someone who has "seen" the phantom hitchhiker, bigfoot, or a poodle exploding in a microwave.

 

I totally agree that welfare is out of control. I mean, I'm sure some people honestly need it, but I think a majority of them are able to work, but just wont. My argument has nothing to do with race, just laziness. And the sad part is that the gov't enables them to be this way. I'm not clear on one thing... do people on welfare get income tax? If so, I feel that they (or anyone else who doesn't pay IN to taxes) should not get taxes back. Why should you get them back if you never gave them in the first place.... oh man it angers me. My vote would be that instead of giving them my money, I mail them a few job applications. Then the gov't could set up some kind of program to help people relocate if nessacery. Maybe there already is this kind of program?? Anyway, there's my 2 cents...

 

The job market is not so great, and minimum wage wont pay the bills and a babysitter. And it is wrong to assume that most people on welfare are lazy. I don't know enough people that are on welfare to support that, and I doubt that you do either.

 

moonjava, while i ralize that at 18 you are probably still living with your parents & quite sheltered, i still feel the need to ask you this: have you ever been on welfare? have you ever been down to DSS? have you ever seen a benefit card? for that matter, have you ever had to buy your own groceries, pay your own rent? don't flaunt your ignorance, child; it doesn't make you look classy, it makes you look bigoted and spoiled.

 

The idea that most of the people on welfare are black women in the projects with 9 kids is a myth and an awful stereotype... in fact, the majority of people on welfare are white single mothers with one or two children. The whole poor promiscuous black lady is just a product of the simple minds of racist dullards.

 

Welfare is a good idea, but like so many other good ideas, the government finds a way to fuck it up. I don't have a problem with welfare itself, just the kind of people who stay on welfare for generations, so long that it becomes an acceptable supplement for income. Our current system is one that allows people to keep getting checks for free for years and never do anything with the money that's worthwhile. Able bodied people between 18 and 40 should not be allowed to receive a living wage from the government.

Plus, there should be more public works programs I think. Like Giulliani had back when he was mayor of NYC. Take the unemployed people living on welfare and have them work from nine to five. Clean up parks, the sides of roads, paint graffiti, fix potholes and such. And after so much time doint this, they could use it as a reference when going for a real job. We could even offer tax breaks to employers who hire people who have worked in the program for 6 months or a year.

 

Here's a page with some pretty good statistics, if anyone is interested... although it kind of comes close, crackers do beat out the Nubian nation for the top spot on the welfare chart.


http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfareblack.htm

 

my original post may have been misconstrued, i didnt mean to make this a race issue. however, welfare is far too easily accessable for anyone. i heard a story about this guy who bet his friend ( a lawyer, and very wealthy) that he couldnt get on welfare. so, he went down to sign up and he had to show minimal paperwork, so much so that he got onto welfare! he cancelled it, but it just goes to show how taxpayer's money is getting thrown around way too easily.

 

Moon Java I agree with your post, yet a solution to the problem was presented by Max. I think Giulliani had a good idea with the public work program. One of my biggest problems with people who claim they can't find jobs is that they are very selective at which jobs they wish to accept. How many fast food restaurants out there are hiring? Quite a few. But certain people do not want to work there because they are to worried about "image". I don't think there is an excuse for anybody not to work. There is always something that needs to be done. At the least there is always some kind of shit that needs to be cleaned up.

 

no, dumbass, people don't want to work at fast food restaraunts because they don't pay enough to make rent. people with children don't want to work 3 minimum-wage jobs with their kids in subsidized, over-crowded daycare because they love their children just as much as anyone else. families, love and parenting is a right not a privledge. so are food, clothing and shelter. look at the stats haha posted. gods, i can't get over the completely baseless, ignorant, self-righteous, hate-filled classist bullshit you people believe!

 

So it's better to sit on your ass collecting welfare and watching Jenny Jones all day than bus tables making money to compliment that welfare?

 

do you have hard facts and numbers to back up your bigoted hate-babble, or are you going to continue spouting baseless, stupid stereotypes and inaccurate, anecdotal "evidence"?

 

What bigoted hate babble? Who said I was a bigot? I was only defending Silky's statement when he said that he didn't like people who are too proud to get a job. I feel the same way. I hate my job, and I don't make a lot of money, but I'm not going to quit just because I think I'm too good for it.

Also, I don't see where I posted "innacurate, anecdotal evidence," or any evidence at all. All I did was post my thoughts on how the welfare system should be modified, in case you can't read:

Giulliani did a pretty damn good job with it, I don't see why it wouldn't work. It would put people to work who would otherwise be getting free money from the government, it would clean up the cities, and it would give people some job experience to go out with when they decide picking up garbage and fixing potholes all day isn't much of a life.

 

I hear they take taxes from women's paychecks too, and they dont' even get paid the same as we men do.

You're right again! Let those innocent bastard children starve. They should've known better than to be born.

Maybe we men should be counseling our sons better, so that they know not to have children for which they don't plan on taking responsibility. Oh yeah, but we men will have to start sticking around and being fathers ourselves, first.

right again. Is this the discussion that you were hoping for? It is at least something that gets people talking.

I think that a discussion of this issue should also include discussion on the issues of education, and healthcare. After all, people need to have hope to be motivated to better themselves. If they think that their lives can never be any better than living in poverty off govt. subsidies, then why would you even try to better yourself. Conversley, an educated person likely will recognize the wider world that exists beyond their small poverty stricken piece of it. I also think that there are more important issues than this. What about all of us working folks that still need AFDC because that's the only way our children get healthcare? What about that Vincent? Do you have access to adequate healthcare yourself? That's the issue I've been watching them try to fix in D.C. for last 20 years and they can't get it together. I'll end my rant here.

 

Thanks for the link. People need to be informed before they start directing hate at other parties.

 

It was welfare that brought America out of the Great Republican Depression of 1929. Who was president prior to the Depression? Republican Calvin Coolidge. Who was president during the Great Depression? Republican Herbert Hoover. What brought us out of the Great Depression?

Democrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Roosevelt lead America out of the Great Depression by redistributing wealth back into the hands of the poor. The main mechanisms he used to achieve this were a package of social welfare programs. "THE NEW DEAL": A package of programs introduced by President Roosevelt aimed at ending the Depression by stimulating the economy and putting people back to work. The "New Deal" programs were enacted during the first hundred days of the Roosevelt Administration. For those Americans too old to work he provided Social Security he signed into law on August 14, 1935. Social Security was to "frame a law which will give some measure of protection to the average citizen and to his family against the loss of a job and against poverty-ridden old age" President Roosevelt, 1935

 

Welfare works just fine if people don't abuse it. My family, for one, is in need of the assistance we receive. My children are on Medicaid, and we get food stamps. My husband works 40+ hours a week, and I get child support every week. It's STILL not enough to pay our bills right now. Hopefully, we will only be on assitance for 9 more months, until I graduate college. But, right now we need it, and I am not too proud to accept it. It's there to help people like me.


At least in my state, assitance is not an easy thing to obtain. My landlord had to fill out a form, my husband's employer, my school, copy of bank statements, bills, car registration, and several other things. The worst was having my landlord fill out a form that said Department of Social Services across the top. Just kind of embarrassing.

Do you people have any idea how expensive child care is? Anywhere decent is $100+/child per week. If I were to get a minimum wage job, my ENTIRE PAYCHECK would go to daycare. How far ahead does that get me?