Marines under mortar attack, crying for their lives...

What exactly is "small scale genocide" eh?

^^ For your convenience.

 

Genocide is defined by the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) article 2 as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: "Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

I am, of course, referring to American support from the seventies until the Clinton administration of Indonesia's genocidal war on East Timor. I can list off a dozen other instances if you'd like, however.

Good try though.

 

National Self-Determination makes me jizz my pants.

And you're fooling yourself if you believe any fanatical group (other than Stalin and Mao) has a worse record than American Imperialism.

 

I still think yopur definition is shit. If includes in part than any murder or anything is fucking genocide. Way to water shit down.

 

both islam and christianity advocate killing people in the name of "god", i still don't see why you think jihadi muslims are better than jihadi christians.

 

Real Christianity advocates no such thing. Christ taught his followers that they had to love their enemies and do good to those that persecuted them, and not render evil for evil. There is hardly any place in the New Testament that even justifies violence in self defense, let alone 'holy war'. The type of "Christianity" that Bush and his buddies tout is nothing but a bunch of political garbage, pure and simple.

 

spooner how old is the united states a couple of hundred years.... hmmm jihad as been going on for 1400 .

The conquest of india alone because hindus are not peoples of the book, and therefore by the majority of islamic schools of thought cant have dhimmi status, and are therefore are to be made slaves or outright killed.
I would say has killed more people than anything in american history .

then you have the 300 years of offensive war against christianity before the crusades, that conquered 2/3 of the christian world these wars were waged as a annual events .

then you have the number of invasions of europe over nearly a thousand years , the conquest of spain north africa .....the islamic slave trade which was on a much larger scale and lasted much longer and was more brutal than anything that america as been involved in
and in fact wouldnt have ended but for western military force in the last century stopping it .

I could go on about the slaughter of buddhists, animists, sikhs,pagans, atheist like my self ,but I think what I have just stated proves you are incorrect .

and this jihad is still being waged today not just against the west but pretty much against everyone

and if we are talking about self determination lots of the jihadis are foriegn to iraq, so the iraqis are not being left alone by both sides not just the americans

 

Spooner - Just making sure your ideas weren't clouded by anti american sentiments. Good on you for being consistent in your disapproval of western interference in world affairs.

 

Dictionary.com vs. the UN.

Wow. Your definition seems legitimate when talking about international events.

Look, I can punctuate sentences with a sarcastic emoticon too when I don't have point.

 

Let me see.

A conservative number for those who
have been killed by U.S. terror and military action since World
War II is 8,000,000 people. Repeat--8,000,000 people.

Involvements including, but not limited too Guatemala, Dominican Republic, Chile, the eventual death of over 1,000,000 people alone in Indonesia/East Timor, Nicaragua, El Salvadore,

 

Let me see.

A conservative number for those who
have been killed by U.S. terror and military action since World
War II is 8,000,000 people. Repeat--8,000,000 people.

Involvements including, but not limited too Guatemala, Dominican Republic, Chile, the eventual death of over 1,000,000 people alone in Indonesia/East Timor, Nicaragua, El Salvadore, Angola, Panama, Iran, Palestine, Lebannon, Vietnam, Lybia, Grenada, Afghanistan, Sudan, Brazil, Argentina, Yugoslavia, etc.

 

Well aren't you special..?

The UN is a bunch of crap anyway. I think really you just want to make everything sound worse than it really is.. Maybe it makes you feel important?

 

Why? It has accomplished many positive things, specifically its WHO side. Explain to me why it is "a bunch of crap".

Wow. When not making Dictionary.com quotes you can (badly) use Ad Hominem logical fallacies to get your point across.

 

Way to prove you wrong eh? And what way would that be?

 

What exactly are you trying to prove here?

That America is justified being in Iraq?
That American soldiers shouldn't be targeted?
That doesn't have a history of interfering in other nations, often leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people?

 

you come up with 8 million people killed by the usa since 1945 could you tell me where you got that figure ?

and are you saying that this figure comes anwhere close to the number of people killed by jihad over the last 1400 years

since sept 11 there have been at least 4663 islamic terrorist attacks most likely very very many more that have been unreported in march 244 islamic terrorist attacks

Dead Bodies: 1280

Critically Injured: 1585

has detailed lists
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/



the number of civilians killed in 2006 in iraq

Iraqi civilians killed this year by Islamic Terrorists
2,003

Iraqi civilians killed collaterally by Americans
23

 

From memory, but I can list off of a couple examples:

In Guatemala after Arbenz nationalized UF land, a CIA organized coup toppled his democratic government. Their newly-institued US-friendly government killed between 80,000-120,000 political dissidents.

In Vietnam, over 1,000,000 civilians were killed over the course of the war.

Sanctions against Iraq in the 1990s resulted in the deaths of over 1,000,000 civilians. In both the first and the second Gulf War, America specifically targeted civilian infrastructure (sewage treatment centres, water desalinization plants, etc) resulting in more civilian deaths than was even close to necessary.

Etc.

 

if you have a million people dead from sanctions isnt that a good reason to get rid of saddam , would you have kept sanctions in place forever if they are killing that many people ?

also does the 1 million people killed during the course of vietnam include people killed before the americans got there ,or killed by north and south vietnam or france

 

Only by America, but that it isn't the point. The specific numbers aren't the point. The point is, through every intervention yet seen (with the possible recent exception of Kosovo [the difference being that it was multilateral]) America has shown that it won't intervene for any benefit but its own, always at the expense of the civilian population being invaded, and therefore has no right to set foot in any foreign country uninvited.

 

you didnt answer my question if as you say 1 million people died because of sanctions without the usa firing a shot,and your adding this number to this 8 million that america is supposed to have killed are you not giving a good reason for the war ?

would you have just sat by with the rate of death for saddams children to take power or would you have got rid of sanctions ?