CNN shits on Salvia

http://us.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog//

Also the boy who killed himself after smoking Savlia, his state just outlawed Salvia.

http://www.dailylocal.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16487224&BRD=1671&PAG=461&dept_id=17782&rfi=6

Quick

 

ok.. how many deaths have been caused by alcohol?

 

sheeit.. how many suicides have been caused by alcohol

 

Ok I'm gonna fucking bomb CNN.... if its not compressed into DrugCorps pill form, a cigareete, or a bottle of alcohol, its gonna be illegal. Its never gonna stop until someone fights back.... Unfortuanatly our side has a lot of retard kids who... kill themselves

Submitted a comment... doubt it will go through though:

As a young man who partakes in shamanistic indulgence of these ethnobotanicals, I have to say I am offended. What I do in the privacy of my own home is my own bussiness so long as I do not put others into jepordy. I encourage you all to read Wikipedia's "Responsible Drug Users Oath." It may give you a little idea about who you're calling a dangerous criminal. You have some children who are going to use this stuff to just get high and these are not recreational chemicals. You have a glue sniffing generation and rather then talk to your kids like adults (Which I may remind you they are becoming) you have chosen to pass the responsibillity off to the police. If someone is having a problem with these plants they need to get help, not a jail cell. The freedom to practice in ones own spiritual practices is slowly becoming outlawed. The plants are not to blame for this childs actions, the parents are for not doing what they could to help their son.

 

Suicide is the third-leading cause of death for 15- to 24-year-olds, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), surpassed only by accidents and homicide. It would be highly unlikely that Salvia had anything to directly with his suicide but rather should had been an warning sign to his parents for something that was wrong. It is always easy to blame something external for the young mans internal problems especially for the parents. (In fact, approximately 95% of people who die by suicide have a psychological disorder at the time of death.) Salvia has not been shown in medical studies to cause this type of disorder. Historic traditional uses of it are as a medicine.

 

oh come the fuck on. a kid with depression killed himself. he experimented with a mind altering substance... most kids do. i'm sure he also ate carrots at some point and probably masturbated, so why not make carrots and masturbation illegal? they're really damn desperate.

 

read the comments. they're way entertaining.

 

I don't think Salvia is a 'warning sign' or anything of the sort.
It's not like everyone has heard of it - most people haven't. So if some kid has expended the effort to learn about it and where to get it, odds are the kid is seeking to expand his horizons a bit, experiment, trip, but not suicide himself.

 

Biological influences on mental disorders relating to suicide- It seems likely that the roots of most mental disorders lie in some combination of genetic and environmental factors—the latter may be biological or psychosocial (Rutter et al., 1999)

So most likely it had more to do with the parents, in some way.

 

christ every time someone dies in this country we have to wage another war on the supposed cause, though in the end take away every "known" cause and this country is still diseased, a depressed kid is trying to get a "high" off a subtance usually ment to be treated with the great respect, so his deamons found there door. Ive actually made this mistake w/ sally before and it was so far from pleasurable.

 

what's most messed up is that you're not "allowed" to take your own life. it's a crime. this boy's suicide is a "tragedy", but did he believe it to be so? or was it to him something beautiful? what were his feelings? where did he think he was headed? we'll never know. because in this country, while we're killing ourselves slowly every day, every actual death is "bad". a "loss". every life "lost" has to be avenged, the "cause" has to be punished and destroyed, as if one more hurt equals one less, and somehow it's a fair trade when you can't bring someone back from the dead. if romeo and juliet had lived in modern day america, we would blame marilyn manson or acid or video games for their deaths. the authorities do have something right, though... often, it's free thought that makes us want to escape this world in the state it is. but you can't ban free thought, and if you try to, you will make the world a harder place for free thinkers to live.

 

And cigarettes???

 

Yeah thats why it should be illegal for everyone under 18 or 21, we all agree on that. But totally illegal is wrong. Also I never bought Salvia from a place that sold to anyone under 18, don't know where this dude was getting it. Oh yeah I was in highschool a few years ago and 1/30-50 knew what Salvia was, and I would say 1/100 had tried it - I had of course and am fine now

And prismatism I don't think we should encorage suicide, I don't think people want to kill themselvs they want to be happy and we can help em be happy and like life. Also Romeo and Juilet killed themselvs through a misunderstanding, so if Romeo hadn't killed himself first they both could have lived together.

Anyway I like to search for "Salvia drug" on google news. I used to get a new news story about every 2 weeks, but lately they are showing up every day.....

 

its another reason why people who have mental issues should NOT do hallucinogenic drugs. period.

 

i'm not saying suicide is a good thing. but god damn, what kind of world is it where you can't control when your own life ends? even "assisted suicide" when you are sick and in a hospital, and all you want is for the pain and embarassment and humiliation and sucking of your family's money out of guilt to stop, is considered "wrong". yet, we consider two dumb kids killing themselves out of rebellion, misunderstandings, and "love" to be beautiful. i don't think all people do want to "be happy" and "like life". i think they should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want with their own life and not have their last feelings be guilt because they know everyone will wonder what they could have done to stop them. death is not a bad thing. when it's time for you to die, and for some reason, you're unable to, THAT is a bad thing.

honestly. think about it. you wait your whole life to die. would you rather just do it when it's supposed to happen, or delay it for 15 years by being a vegetable in a hospital while your parents are doing everything they can to keep your organs functioning and your heart beating, as if it means anything?

i'm a little off topic, but i think it illustrates my point that a longer life does not mean some kind of win for anyone if it's unwanted by the person living it.

 

Oh yeah assisted suicide should be legal, might get tricky when familys disagree on weather a vegtable should die or not.

 

"When I told people we were doing a story on Salvia Divinorum, most said to me that they had no idea what I was talking about. And that is one of the major points of this story."

see nobody knows what kind of power this herb holds much less what this herb is
they just see its hurt 1 person so they decide they have to regulate on it

 

I find it quite comical that the issue of whether or not to make a completely natural herb, such as Salvia Divinorum, is brought to the forefront of the FDA's attention, in attempts to schedule it as an illegal substance; however, the vast myriads of pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, and other completely TOXIC substances are regulated to be sprayed on food crops. The food we eat every day has more substances which are harmful for human consumption and health than any natural herbal supplement or substance out there. One need only to look to the masses of hormones being pumped into livestock, or chemicals to replace natural sugars, and fibers. Drinking two-liter bottles of Coca-Cola used to remain an all-but impossible feat, yet today an individual can down about three or four liters of soft drinks in a day thanks to High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS), a chemical that goes unregistered to the insulin in your body (therefore neither satiates or decomposes). HFCS's, as well as the multitude of chemicals substituted for natural ingredients, have known addictive traits. We are addicted to the food that the FDA allows us to consume, on the mere basis that the food which we consume maximizes profits to the food farmers. (Note: blame cannot be dispersed among the food famrers; they simply do as they must to compete and survive in the market conditions that exist) Not to mention the American Pharmaceutical industry! Here we have an entire industry devoted to throwing chemicals at the problem, rather than devoting the energy necessary to effectively combat the problem in the first place. An industry that gives children Adderall for ADD, rather than telling the parents to spend more time with them and to turn their (addictive and mind-numbing) television off. An industry that decides that even though your sickness is related to the food that is chemically "enhanced", the best course of action is to add a few more to your daily regimen. My (completely untested) hypothesis remains that the myriad of chemicals given to the American public for the "health" and "wellness", as well as those sanctioned for use to maximize production are the very ones responsible for the dramatic increase in depression, social anxiety, ADD, ADHD, etc. seen in the past 30-40 years. The fact that the FDA can regulate and allow food and perscriptions with chemicals that are more harmful to our bodies than the affects of responsible cannabis, salvia divinorum, peyote, opium, cacti, and fungi use simply speaks volumes for the government that supposedly stands for "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." Perhaps individuals under the influence of these illegal natural substances have impaired judgement, but are these really the drugs responsible for suicide, homicide, and other crimes? Or are these crimes merely the products of poor socialization in a society which regulates and encourages the use of addictive and toxic chemicals in food, the treating of sickness and social disease with synthetic chemical compounds (the full effects of which will never be known), the acceptance of grotesque violence, carnage and basal behavior in entertainment, the complete and utter reliance on technology to carry out daily activities, and the enforcement of law through intimidation and fear? Perhaps rather than placing the blame on the supposed evils natural substances, we should take a step back and review the evils of our own society.

Just my two cents.

 

Wow Sep that was a really fuckin good post.

 

its not the drug that is the problem, its the mind of the taker. this kid was probably depressed before ingesting the Salvia Dinvinorum, and the spirits of salvia just convinced him to do it. i have had some fucked up salvia experiences, but my mind has been able to take them and then build upon them. obviously this kid could not.

the real problem here is that this is just one more (huge) step towards making salvia div. illigal. like LSD, it will probably get demonized luike crazy by the DEA. i cant wait to laugh at an "anti-shamanic herb" drug add.