The Root of all Evil? What do you think it is?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Gravity, Apr 14, 2006.

  1. UrsusKind

    UrsusKind U like Chris Farley?

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    the dali lama teaches that desire is the root of all suffering.




    if you learn to not want anything you will not suffer

    Jesus tried to teach the same lesson. Look at the lilies of the valley and the birds you know.
     
  2. prismatism

    prismatism loves you

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    it all means the same thing. why would you want something if you didn't think it could protect you from something else?
     
  3. King Parrot

    King Parrot Member

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    Right on.
     
  4. peaceloveandshrooms

    peaceloveandshrooms Member

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    What is existence? All concepts exist only in the mind. The concept of life itself exists only in the mind. Everything we know exists only in the mind, because we cannot be sure of anything that we perceive of external reality. Therefore, existence in the mind is enough existence for me, especially when so many people live their lives with the mentality that they should be doing good not evil. To humanity, good and evil are very real, I think.
     
  5. NeoPascal

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    nicely said, but i would like to add that they are relative to each other and hold no universal. for example, most people would say that murder is wrong or evil. but if were to kill hitler would it still be evil or would it bee good because it was for a greater good? and if you killed him before his masscarce, would it be good because of the saved lives, or evil because the man you killed did not yet cause the hollocaust?
     
  6. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Objective reality exists without perception from humans(pretty rough to prove,eh?)--humans show up--ergo="evil" & "good" and all else we have perceived or will perceive,right up until the END.Been said above tho.
     
  7. prismatism

    prismatism loves you

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    yeah, evil doesn't exist. but i think when we say "evil" we mean "things that make us unhappy" and there are things that do make most people unhappy.
     
  8. pop_terror

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    I don't believe in evil either, but I would say the root of our "problems" is not being fully aware of the truth, whatever the truth is.

    I'm thinking of the universe as existing independently of time, as a sort of solid unchanging thing that just is. (Read "Slaughterhouse 5" by Kurt Vonnegut if you want.) Events are also objects and cannot be extracted from It or It won't be It, in which case it can't exist. That it exists being generally accepted as being a good thing. If you don't accept that, then I suppose for you existence would be the root of all evil.
     
  9. Love_N_it

    Love_N_it Banned

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    that's one thing I've learned about the truth lately, the more you look for it the less you know of it.

    The truth is that right now it feels like we lost,. or that we have a chance of losing something that it seems like the 'people in charge' somehow overlooked.
    Maybe the root of all evil started when man first realized "this is my baby" .
    And he must have know right there and then that he couldn't take care of it 'properly' by himself. Not if he stopped to consider the miracle that he was holding was going to depend on him to secure their environment... which should be a natural instinct.
    So he had to share the responsibility with someone else, and for some reason he turned it over to another .. man.,
    Men are all NUTS !!

    it's a good thing I used to see the world like one of those brazen ass fools.
    if not I wouldn't have ever outgrown that comfort zone where most men must be out of their damn minds. All this time , how long has it been since a man said "this is my baby" without knowing that their beautiful future was going into the 3rd world war?
    How long ago did the last "official" war end ?

    I'm trying to get the machine to help me pull their silly assess out of the shredder,,
    hoping that a man get's the notes but they probably won't let me. I'm ready to do something now and when those boys even consider the possibility all they can think is "we are in deep shit now" ... but they know it's just getting worse.

    I think we need enough testosterone on this Earth to keep a good cleaning project going for the men to stay occupied while they clean up this mess they made during their 3 "official" world wars. And over the next few thousand or million years to come maybe the women can show them how to do it right... idunno.
    We'll see how hard it is to convince a sr. military official that it would be easier if somebody showed them how to stop these poor unfortunate men in charge from destroying everything. They are driven to win, and killing themselves.
    If you could show them that, they would just keep doing it because they are not strong enough to accept that kind of responsibility. It's been going on like this for how many years ?
    Who knows where the root is, the only way to ever find it and show it to people would be to lock up the planet and cut them nuts out. It's not like they would ever change, much less make a gradual turn towards making their decisions based on their childrens long term future.

    sorry I don't make it here much lately , I just haven't been in the hip or loving 'mood' or thinking like a civilized man is supposed to so it's best not to come here much .
    I'm on it tho' , the law is gonna have to do something with me eventually ,, those 'laws' don't deserve to be applied to any'thing' or anybody like this system has been doing. so it really doesn't matter where the root of this synthetic creatures contamination originated from, much less the root of all evil.
    this tree produces a lot of nasty funkin' warmongers that don't have a problem with what their future looks like . so far.

    my only fear is that this has all been done before, and some'thing' or someone is dissappointed in me for taking this long.

    I love ya'll .
    and there IS some evil in me ,
    hopefully enough!
     
  10. Boss_d.j.

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    life. the beginning of all things laid the foundation.
     
  11. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    fanatacism itself. although i suppose that's almost circular. which may be we few if any of us are ever entirely innocent.

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
  12. Nimrod's Apprentice

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    the root of all evil is the word evil
     
  13. gunison

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    The ROOT of all evil is moral responsibility.
     
  14. Nimrod's Apprentice

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    So your saying if there was no moral responsiblity to uphold nothing could then be considered evil?
     
  15. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    ^makes sense when you say it that way, doesn't it? If you have no morals, nothing you do can be immoral or evil. :H
     
  16. gunison

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    Moral responsibility arises because humans have the ability/opportunity to choose from among alternatives in a given circumstance. When one undertakes a given action, one could have chosen otherwise. That one could have chosen otherwise makes one blameworthy (or praiseworthy) for undertaking some action. Without this (the abililty/opportunity to have chosen otherwise), the term 'evil' (and I assume we're talking about moral, rather than natural, evil) is senseless jargon.
     
  17. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    RELIGION & GREED
     
  18. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    many seek simplicity in life by desiring that perspective.
    bennifit and harm continue however to exist
    as does the suffering that harm generates.

    this suffering may not be targeted other then statisticly

    but the worlds we all create we all live in

    the more harm we each create, the more unhappy conditions there are for everyone.

    the arbitrary pseudomoralities of chauvanistic beliefs i sometimes see as having been created as a way to deny this simple reality and delude ourselves into imagining, becuase it is not linear, direct, and immediate, that it might somehow not exist.

    or that we might some how win the luck of the draw and be among the ones who appear to elude it.

    the reality of kharma and dharma is that while statistical in nature, not even a god can illude it, nor predict how or when it might catch up with them.

    no special places of eternal punishment and reward are required.
    some things do happen more often then others
    and some things do happen more often when other things happen first

    one need not take any god, sage or scholar's word for that, a simple riguourousness of self honesty is sufficient to observe its opperation.

    evil is indeed a word mere mortals have invented
    but bennifit and harm continue to exist
    and whatever condition in whatever life we are surrounded by
    is influenced, however collectively and unobviously, by the actions
    of each and every awairness living or 'living' in it.

    this can be summarized, if a bit overly simplisticly as i had previously
    that the real root of evil, is not the real morality of the avoidance of
    causing suffering and harm, but chauvanistic fanatacism, that
    supplants the simple observable price of harm, with a cook book
    of preassumed behaviours, and deceptions as to what can and
    cannot be expected of them.

    perhaps i should say the real root of suffering and harm, so as
    not to confuse them with their symbolic representation by the
    somewhat more arbitrary and presumptive term "evil".

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
  19. lovelightlisa

    lovelightlisa Senior Member

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    The ego

    it holds us back from unity
     
  20. rebbatskcab

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    Agreed. Before there was a scale to gauge it on, there was no evil. How can you have something that subjective without a standard? Thus, moral responsibility is the reason evil exists.

    Even more indirectly than that, the human race is the root of all evil. Seeing as we came up with the concept of moral responsibility to begin with.

    I'm not saying we should all go off and start killing people, of course. I'm just saying that evil is remarkably subjective and I don't like polarity.

    Of course, sometimes I think math is the origin of greed. And then I get back to my algebra homework.
     

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