Muslims have been attacked and spat* name-calling against them in UK!

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  1. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Caption: Sinnott said "people have been attacked or spat at because they may appear to be Muslim."



    CAIRO, April 17, 2006 (IslamOnline.net) – British schools have become increasingly intolerant towards Muslim students and teachers in the wake of the 7/7 attacks with extremist parties and groups exploiting the tensions and spreading a message of racial hatred, delegates at Britain's National Union of Teachers' conference have warned.

    "Islamophobia has been increasing in schools since the London bombings of last July," teacher Dennis Gibbons told the conference, The Independent reported on Monday, April 17.

    Steve Sinnott, the general secretary of the NUT, said the union had received reports about increased incidents of name-calling against Muslim students.

    "There have been other instances of a more extreme nature where people have been attacked or spat at because they may appear to be Muslim," he added.

    The union has issued guidelines to all members insisting they should tackle racial incidents in schools and make it clear that there is no excuse for racist behavior.

    Weeks after the terrorist attacks, Muslims who lived harmoniously in the country for decades felt under suspicion with one in five saying they or a family member have faced abuse or hostility since the bombings.

    A Guardian/ICM poll published on July 26 last year showed that nearly half a million Muslims of the some 1.8 million minority contemplated leaving Britain due to the increasing harassments and racist attacks. [​IMG] Come back dear

    The government, however, has moved quickly to distance an entire community from the odious work of few.

    An opinion poll on February 19 showed that 99 percent of British Muslims believed the July 7 bombers were "wrong" to carry out the atrocity and 91 percent pledged loyalty to Britain.


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    Caption: Glazier said teachers of ethnic minority groups are discriminated against in pay raise.

    Delegates warned of discrimination in teachers' salary levels against members of ethnic minority groups.

    Jerry Glazier, the union's executive member for the University of Essex, said that, whereas 95.8 percent of all British white teachers were awarded merit rises when they reached the top of the teachers' pay scale, the figures for Bangladeshi, black African and other Asian teachers were 87, 79 and 80.2 percent respectively.

    He warned that it would be "unlawful" to discriminate against ethnic minority groups on pay.

    The British National Union of Teachers also warned of a rise in support for extremist parties like the British National Party (BNP).

    "We note that such fascist and racist organizations have announced their intention to stand in seats across the country in order to profit from such an atmosphere," the union said.

    Gibbons said this was "a very worrying trend."

    In a recent speech in the northern town of Keighley, BNP leader Nick Griffin described Islam as "wicked, vicious faith."

    Experts believe that statements from senior government officials on "Islamic terror" only adds insults to injury.

    The latest such warning came from Defense Secretary John Reid who said that Britain was facing a war against what he called "evil Islamist extremists."


    about Islam like "Islamic terrorism" from its new lexicon of public communication to make clear that terrorists are hijacking the religion.

    A panel of British Muslims put forward a "roadmap" for the government to fight extremism in the wake of the 7/7 attacks, concluding that foreign policy and the Iraq invasion were key factors in feeding home-grown extremists.

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  2. jonny2mad

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    hmmm there are more than a million christians in saudi arabia yet they are not allowed churches or crosses or religious services of any kind, in saudi as in many other islamic countrys there is no freedom of religion .

    in lots of countrys muslims are killing non muslims , one of the traditional ways of accepting the Jizya tax was to either slap the non muslim or spit into his mouth .

    in lots of islamic majority countrys you will still find bad treatment of minoritys certainly much worse than has happened in the united kingdom .
     
  3. Phrensied Rabbits

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    Why do we always have to speak in terms of one group doing something to another group? Why can't it be that a certain person is just an asshole?
     
  4. natural23

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    Jonny,

    One wrong does not justify another wrong; and considering our professed ideals (UK and USA) any attack on a minority is, I would think, "worrying." If we can start to more effectively cease to incorrectly mix issues we will be better off. Another response might be to address the issue of attacks on minorities in UK and then separately address repression in Islamic countries.

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  5. jonny2mad

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    well what one group does is linked to what another group does .

    and if your going to complain about bad treatment in england where really you are being treated very well, and support or ignore the bad treatment other members of your religion hand out I think you have a case of double standards.

    we have 3000 mosques I think the uk and most of these have been set up in the last few years but there is not one church in saudi , this year its been made illegal to preach to muslims in morocco and algeria or have evangelical material .

    personally I would start closing some mosques and tell the governments of these countrys that this will continue until they remove their laws that discriminate against non muslims.

    as it is muslims are quite happy to discriminate against non muslims they are taking advantage of our better standards of conduct.
     
  6. natural23

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    This appears to me to, in some form, always be the case.

    I did not understand part of the sentence but I think I understand what you're saying, and it appears to make some good sense. Being critical of both wrongs seems to be the healthy route. Cat ?

    :H

    Now you are 'lowered' and become like what it is that you appeared to originally protest; you become 'repressive.' One wrong does not justify another wrong.

    The generalized way that your statement is made makes your statement simply false; but if you stated this in another way, especially with recognition that "double standards" take many forms in many different cultures, sub-cultures and groups then you might have made a good point; as it is stated I disagree with you. There are many different ways of thinking and living amongst Muslim's, Christian's, etc.

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  7. catstevens

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    How, with locks, yeah please lock them at night, and you can give me the keys so I will open them every Dawn. ^^ and you can pray with us if you want to, thank you for your concern
    Quraan:And who are more unjust than those who forbid that Allah's Name be glorified and mentioned much (i.e. prayer and invocations) in Allah's mosques
    Peace and love
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    Cat Stevens
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    Hi natural23 ^^
    Click here and here Judging a religion according to its followers deeds seems to be stupid because some people don't practice their religion, taking off the topic seems to be losers style ^^
    Peace and love
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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  9. jonny2mad

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    cat you dont seem to say anything about the atleast 1 million christians who have no religious freedom in saudi and the laws that are being brought in against non islamic religions in islamic majority countrys .

    or the fact that one way people used to pay the special apartied type tax to be able to live as non muslims in muslim controlled countrys was to be hit or spit in their mouth

    to me this seems to mean you dont mind mind if people are mistreated as long as it doesnt happen to muslims .

    you know that as it is its unlikely that people in the west will give muslims some of their own medicine as they have higher standards of conduct than muslims .

    natural I dont mind being intolerant of intolerant people , I think if you treat them as they treat you for a while and link your treatment to a change in their behavior they are more likely to change
     
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    Why you didn't come to HydePark yesterday? However, the prize is canceled.
    Peace and love
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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  11. natural23

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    Cat,


    You write,


    I see the point that you're making but it misses the fact that there are many interpretations of a religion and some interpretations may be highly accurate in God's eyes, in truth, while others may not be. Instead it might be better to further specify a group or groups in order to be more accurate, and within some of these groups, both Christian and Muslim, religion is the "language" and justification that is utilized. We should not loose sight of the fact that there are many who do good and many who do bad who do not, in these instances at least, use the "'language' of religion" as part of a conscious motivation or justification.

    Peace,

    David​



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    natural23



    Good.



    You said: maybe, so check up on the matter. you can ask in the following links

    Link (1) Link (2) Link (3) in the last link click on feedback or Link (4)

    Peace and love
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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    I think it was losers' style ''taking off the topic'' is their style
    Protection of Non-Muslims' Places of Worship
    Religious Freedom in the Eyes of Shari`ah
    Freedom of Belief & Minority Rights in Muslim Countries
    Islam & Freedom of Belief
    And ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
    Peace and love
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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  14. Phrensied Rabbits

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    Good, that stuff is annoying.
    so, what is the point of having a government or a country if somebody else determines all your policies and oppresses your people FOR you? hehe
    Personally, if you want one muslim's opinion-
    When muslims found an 'Islamic' country, the idea is pretty obvious.
    I mean, nobody goes around to amish communities and forces women to
    take off their dresses and put on western clothes.

    Anyway, all religions are protected in Islamic law.
    So, the root of this hostility obviously has to be dealt with.
    Becoming more violent isn't exactly an ideal solution.
    What should really be done?
     
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    Dirk_Pitt
    Wa Alaykum brother ^^

    Thanks, I do appreciate it =)
    Didn't you find the answer in the above links?


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    Hi there^^
    yeah they will be so, the prophet prophesied about these things even about the stupid Muslim terrorists and
    Do you think that they are making these laws of freedom because of freedom? Huh! Or because they know that you hate such things, and that they want to get rid of you!! Muslims are increasing Astonishingly in the west, they don't want this A Guardian/ICM poll published on July 26 last year showed that nearly half a million Muslims of the some 1.8 million minority contemplated leaving Britain due to the increasing harassments and racist attacks. Are they looking for tricks and plans to make you leave?

    Quraan:O you who believe! .. they have.. driven out .. yourselves because you believe in Allâh your Lord! ..Should they gain the upper hand over you, they would behave to you as enemies, and stretch forth their hands and their tongues against you with evil, and they desire that you should disbelieve.
    Quraan:O you who believe! .. they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand. Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e. you believe in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), while they disbelieve in your Book, the Qur'ân]. And when they meet you, they say, "We believe". But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: "Perish in your rage. Certainly, Allâh knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets)."
    if Allah in these verses are talking about the former people who happened to be with Muhammad (pbuh) (at the time) it doesn't mean that they don't exist today, be clever my dear.
    Quraan: …Their hearts are alike, We have indeed made plain the signs for people who believe with certainty.
    source of Quotations and to read the entire Article: Post 12 ==> click
    Can you read, write and speak arabic ^^
    may Allah bless you my very dear bro/sis AMEN AMEN AMEN it is the same I know Palestinian people, One of them was cursing the Jews whenever he is mad or in trouble, I told him to STOP IT not all the Jews are bad, it is better to pray for then instead of cursing.
    may Allah bless you, bless your tongue bless your life, sadly there are bad Israelis and Palestinians*sigh*
    Tons of peace and love, may Allah bless your heart, Amen
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    Peace and love
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Dear Dirk_Pitt ^^ may Allah bless you
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    OMG! My dear brother, I am a Muslim which means I do whatever Allah decreed submit to his will, law, regarding such issues, my opinion is Allah's opinion, when Allah says about something is Good, then it is Good and when Allah says about something is bad it is bad to me too, if Allah says such and such should be done, then my opinion is the same, this is his creation his land his creatures, he is the owner, I don't argue my sir, if you work in a company you will follow its rules you don't own the company so you can't make your own rules, only the owner has the right to do so, it is the same Allah is the owner of everything, of this planet too,
    [​IMG]I can't even imagine myself arguing Allah, oh no, no way, this is hard, may Allah take my soul before I do such a thing, if Allah already gave an opinion of something then this is my opinion too, Quraan: It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.
    Deuteronomy11.1: Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, always.
    [NIV]Matthew: 15: 3: And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?… 6: … Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
    Quraan: … then do you believe in a part of the Scripter and reject the rest? … Allah isn't unaware of what you do.
    Deuteronomy 6.17: Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee. And thou shalt do that which is right and good in the sight of the LORD: that it may be well with thee
    Quraan: my love Allah states: Say (O Muhammad to mankind): ''if you (really) love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins, and Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
    Deuteronomy 5.10: And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
    the inventor of the computer and laptop can tell us which one is better than the other one, because he invented it and he knows, it is the same to Allah the creator Allah knows best, he has the best decision, rules, because he is the creator, and always there are wisdoms behind His laws, Allah's law
    Muslim scholars are those who studied Quraan, haddeeths etc so they are the best people who know about Allah's law, we should refer to them, I am not a scholar a mere Muslim loves Allah So much, I am not informed enough about Islamic law, you should study in special colleges, and whatever Allah decreed and ordered it I totally agree with it.

    So, it is better to refer to their opinions

    May Allah bless you, my deepest sincere best wishes; keep searching my friend, Thumps up, I wish you will find the final truth, Amen to that. So glad to read this^^ hats off.

    And upon you, Amen ^^

    WoW!
    Tons of peace and love
    (= Peace and love =)
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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    hellopeople
    You are more than welcome, you deserved it.
    They aren't Good things sis/bro!! I read that Hebrew is considered as a Holy language so probably Jews don't use it for such things.
    Yes IT IS, please learn it, you won't regret, guaranteed =) there are 22 countries speak Arabic in Asia and Africa.
    Let's speak Arabic
    Best wishes
    (= Peace and love =)
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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    hellopeople
    :D
    Great, try to learn some good words from them =)
    WOW WOW, Arabic poems, Quraan in Arabic is really indescribable
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    BTW: I am so interested in Judaism, I bought so many books about it to study it someday.
    ^^ actually we can find bad people in every religion. bad Muslims bad Christians ...etc Thank you very much for sharing =) and thanks for Shookie ^^

    (= Peace and love =)
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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    hellopeople
    Oh many Similarities, for example take a look here http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-and-Muslims-Agree/ As A muslim Allah told us that He revealed the torah, so I believe that Allah is the God of Torah and Quraan, and this is one of the reasons we find all these smilarities because the God of both of them is the same one God =)
    Oh! why is that! we have to know the Book of God and keep the commandments! im at a spiritual unrest ==> why is that dear bro/sis, how can I help you? believe dear , soul's food is religion is believeing in God and practicing the religion of God. when the soul becomes hungry then you feel depressed, unrest etc, it needs Food. feed it my friend, may Allah bless you, Amen.
    (= Peace and love =)
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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