I think Moon flower WOULD believe then. She seems to be a non-believer because there is no tangible proof. Belief many times is blind faith, and MANY people just don't have that. Moon flower, hope i pegged it right - - - i'm not trying to put words in your mouth. peace barefootnikki
Fair enough . . . What do YOU know? I am not just being a smartass, I am truly curious. Good question. Keep asking. I am sure you are more than mere hostility . . . so . . . ? Imagine that. What are YOU doing with all of this? Peace and Love
No. That's not it. I just don't have faith in that. It was force fed to me, and, now that I can make my own decisions, I've chosen to not believe. Different strokes for different folks.
the fact that it was force fed to you makes me understand your frustrations. It's not right for parents to force thier beliefs on thier kids, but only to lovingly offer the choices. I was forced to go to church when i was young and even forced to wear a dress each time (ick) no wonder i took off when i was 15 and did what ever the heck i wanted for 3 years even if it was bad for me. i needed that time away, to finally make my own decisions. It was like a necessary evil. Then i realized one day that there were deep truths to what I had been taught, and I started seeking God for myself, because for once i really wanted to. i still deal with the hurt of my childhood and the way i was so controlled in every aspect. (i wasn't even allowed to pick out my own Underwear!! sheesh!) Anyways, moonflower, even though you try and appear to be tough, i encourage you to nuture that softer part of your inner self that is screaming out for the truth and hungry for real answers. (hug)
FUCK! What is it with you people? I'm not trying to seem tough. I'm saying what I see. If you don't like it, lump it.
ok moonflower, you can type your "fucks" all over the place and say you're not trying to be tough. You're the one who started this thread with all intentions for confrontation and locked horns. you have an anger against Christians, so does just about 75% of the rest of the world. Get over it. All the Christians that have joined this conversation have been patient and understanding with you and you in return, have repeatedly opened your potty mouth and spewed anger and hostility. The nicer we are, the meaner you get. No wonder you're so filled with rage, you keep bringing it on yourself. nobody here wants to fight and argue accept you. Will you just think about some of the things we are saying? wasn't it your curiosity as to where we are coming from that made you start this thread? or was it just downright desire to bash us? because we're used to the bashing, it's been going on since the beginning of time, and it's only going to get worse for Christians as time goes on. A kicking, screaming, God hating 17 year old on the internet is something true Christians online feel a concern for. We are only trying to help you understand and answer your questions. We wish our love didn't fuel your anger but it does. But we know we're not fighting against you, but against spiritual powers that are trying to keep your heart from understanding. Satan knows he's never getting to heaven so he sure doesn't want you to either. Hopefully you don't wait until it's too late to decide for yourself. God exists and He loves you. like it or lump it.
I don't know why everyone here tries to characterize her as a spoiled, bratty child, I've never got that impression. 17 is not that young. Just because she swears or has some smart aleck responses? So she's a little lippy, some of you have been as well. Your repartee has been disguised by your religious slant though, of course. I personally wouldn't care what Christians believed if they kept it to themselves. Don't change the constitution based on your religious beliefs. Don't stifle science. That's not too much to ask is it?
Thank you for the permission to say fuck. I'm not trying to be tough, I started this thread to give my opinion. Can you blame anyone for anger against you fucktards? No. You can't. You're hypocrites. Oh, they have? No. They haven't. They've had nothing remotely patient and understanding to say about this thread. It would be un-orthodox. No, the more pushy you are, the more smart ass I am. I'M NOT FILLED WITH ANGER AND RAGE YOU FUCKING PSYCHO. Everyone here wants to fight or they'd let it go. This is MY opinion, I won't change because you keep pushing God on me. Thank you. No, I will not think about some of the things you are saying. No, it was my opinion of this religion that brought me here. Don't give me your sob-story of how 'hard it is for Christians'. I DO UNDERSTAND. You're not helping me understand anything. You're deepening my thought that Christians are pushy assholes. Pushy, pushy, pushy. You need therapy, seriously. You're brainwashed. It's amuzing.
It's sad your parents aren't involved in your life. Perhaps some discipline in your life would have been good for you. You keep telling us there is no anger, yet you keep showing. As I have said before, you voiced your opinion. You came in here to "voice" your opinion, you have bitched and complained, called names, told us how your life isn't fair, bitched and complained more, and all we see out of it is a spoiled little brat doing what every other 17 yr old does...rebel. Your story is old and used. Move on, show me that you are the better person and go on. Be different like everyone else somewhere else. We got your drift, you hate God and you hate Christians.
im christian, but dont like to admit, because i hate that religion. I hate it when your told how to live, and if you dont live that way your a bad person and need to be saved. well, they can shove it up their ass, ill do what i want and not believe in god if i want. which i dont believe in god, its just hard for me to.
Lately I've been studying religion and the effects of it. As well as the facts. I belive science should definantly been considered a part of religion. Another thing, if we start looking at The Holy Bible as a guide book instead of an instruction book, we would be a whole lot sainer! I follow what the Bible says. But I am NOT a Christian, I AM a Wiccan! I don't believe the Bible should only be followed by Christian's. True, I don't follow all of it, I believe some of it is a little bit far fetched. I read and apply what I read to my daily Wiccan life. I use it as a guide book and couldn't be happier with where I am in my spiritual walk. I know about all the sections on magickal workings etc, but for some reason, that just dosen't make any sence to me! What is so wrong with developing your own inner power that was granted to you by the energy God? I was wondering how many of you have read the article "God, Free Will, Determinism, and Karma" it is one of the most rewarding links I have ever read. And it is right here on hippy.com! It would really give some insight to what, I believe moon flower is saying. Except it is much more realistic than the whole sarcastic scenerio she opened up this thread with! Either way, Blessed Be Gaea P.S. Edited One more thing. I'm 16, and I sort of take offence to the rebelion aspect you have applied to moon flower! I don't rebel and I am a teen, a year younger than moon flower in fact. I as well as my other teenage friends, all try to look at the facts before we make a statement. Especially as Sarcastic and Senical as moon flower's! Please, if you are going to refer to her as a "rebel" don't catagorize me and mine with that! Thank you!
Yeah, I am not going to search through all these pages to find it, but a good imitation would be "WAAAAAAAAA IT WAS FORCED ON ME". Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. 1 + 1 = 2 so in that same logic, all your crying and complaining equals......care to guess?
i'm also 17 and i dont rebel... but i realise that people have probably sed this to you before...generalisation is a bad thing, please dont tar me with the same brush as others. ( i'm not trying to create an arguement, just telling you i'm offended) roly.xxx
You are right, I should have said "as most 17 year olds do" not all. GHranted, I am talking to her though, but I understand.
You're probably some washed up, 40 year old douche bag who's going to rag on me no matter what I say. Do you want to know why? Because you can't take critisism. Maybe mommy and daddy should have payed more attention to you when you were small. Do you have anger and rage?