Communism Is A Disease

I am no more of a capitalist then you are. Do you buy food from a supermarket or grow it in your back yard? Do you buy clothes or make them with a sewing machine and thread spinner? Do you buy gas for your car or walk to work? Even better, do you use money or trade and barter people the food and clothes you made at your house, that you spent money to buy, unless you live in the woods in a tree house, which you built out of wood bought a store, or chopped down with an axe, that you bought. Don't lecture me about communism, of course I know what Communism is, I have the internet don't I? Capitalism is consumerism, and our society doesn't function without them. So if I am capitalist, then you are just as equal in my eyes.

 

You don't even live in Communism, or practice it.

How are you a communist?

Because you and Marxy hit it off?

I understand hating with respect, its very Ninja. Is that what you've been holding back this whole time about morals?

 

Great, another incoherent response. Do all faitful communist's act like this, or is it only the ones with blind faith?

Tell me, are you strictly Communist? Or do you have a fancy word to go in front of it like Theistic Communism, which is something that probably would only work, if everyone agree'd on the same god and didn't create enemies out of non-beleiver's.

 

I've got 4 years on you. I'm an American and I understand the American system and philosophy behind it better than most people in this country, including you. Stalin wasn't a Communist, he was a Stalinist. Communism is the conditions of the liberation of the proletariat, but Stalinism doesn't free the proletariat. Stalinism oppresses the proletariat.


Theres nothing wrong with becoming an atheist. You don't know for a fact that God did anything for Marx or Lenin? You don't know for a fact that God exists, thought you may believe in him (or it, or her even), the existance of non-existance of God can or cannot be proven; therefore, you can't say that God did or didn't do anything for Marx or Lenin. BTW, Stalin, like Hitler, had a tough and miserable childhood. Lenin's brother was killed at a young age for opposing the Tsar and Lenin was exiled.


From your perspective, yes a person can be amoral, but then it would be fair to say that from a serial child rapists and murderer's perspective that you are amoral.


A moral is a judgement of goodness or badness. What is something that is good to a person? It can be anything that satifies them, even say killing another person. Humans will always make the decision that satisfies them because the decision they make is the one that satisfies them. All humans make judgements of goodness or badness through their actions, including their thoughts. So, all people have morals, though those morals might be morals other people may not agree with. Its not like there is a bottom line of what is "good" and what is "bad" that exists as some religions would have you believe. Now, even I have morals. For example, I don't think anybody should rape and murder innocent children, or use them in wars. I do think however, that swirl icecream tastes wonderful, and that it is good to eat.


A person may value bad morals, but what may be bad morals to you may be good morals to them. Even though moral education which takes place to some extent in society no matter what you do, we cannot completely synchronize people's morals because humans are simply to judgemental of what is good and what is bad. So, there are amoral people if you believe in God (or dieties) or believe yourself the most morally virtuous person on Earth, but if you see morals for what they are (a judgement of goodness or badness) and know the definition of the word good (satisfying) then you'll see that all people are moral, they just don't conform to each other completely.

 

They simply have their own set of morals or their own morality. Just because they don't practise your morals doesn't mean they don't have morals or that they are amoral.

Actually, I believe it was a moral response, based on the fact that you did it. Humans will always do what they consider to be good, or satisfying. Insulting people is a very satisfying experience, as it ignores your own psycological problems for a moment and causes problems for them, when you are the one who is already suffering.

 

I'd just like to bring up a couple of points that maybe never crossed your mind. The first is that most people own none or insignificantly little private property, and the only way that those people will ever own anything is through collective ownership or communism. Capitalism requires a large working class that owns no private property so that they have to sell their labor to feed themselves, because Capitalism wouldn't work if everyone had property.

The second point that I would like to bring up is that in Capitalism, you are already working hard for the other guy. What about the money that you aren't paid? You're paid (if your working class) as little as possible, or just enough for you to exist on, while the benefits of your labor are stolen though the transaction of capital by the rich, or the CEO of your company. Then they can spend it on mansions and fancy cars when the money should be going to aid the starving children and those living in extreme poverty. Your already working for the other guy, now which other guy do you want to work for, the poor starving exploited family, or the rich mansion owning family?

 

Finally a response.

So you think Adolf HItler and Stalin were moral people?

I understand what you mean by it all being relative to your point of view and situation, but what about the overview? You are willing to count out the higher picture of whats being done, for a side to side war of beleifs? No matter what killing is immoral. You can kill for a good reason, or to eat but no matter what it still falls on the bad side of the scale. The Communist governments of the past have been upholding the values of killing their own to show dominance of the leader, as well as upholding dialectical materialism, and the means of solving all conflicts is through violence. They are atheist so they beleive man is nothing more than a beast, and killing this beast there are no consequences. So those in charge of the proletariat can kill them no matter what as to have examples for the rest of the herd to follow.

It started out however you saying Im ignorant to beleive there are people with no moral at all. Its true there are these people, and they get off on the fact they are doing Bad things on everybodys scale or point of view.

Murdering innocent is bad whichever way you look at it. If at the very least its just destroying a potential mother or father, that had every right to be on this earth as you did.

You cannot justify these people by saying they have morals that are skewed and (satisfying). Good morality is usually not satisfying so you obviously just made that up. Usually doing good by every ones concept of morality means sacrifice. It means going without raping that girl, which is satisfying to your senses. It means going without doing heroin everyday, because no matter how you look it, these things are satisfying but their not GOOD. You don't get any good out of it. Therefore it is immoral, then if the person acts immorally trying to justify it to himself when he feels it is wrong, they then become amoral. Stepping outside the boundary of good and bad. You cannot then say they are acting out of their own good morals. Morality sticks with good, and good is generally universal. Only in some situations is it relative.

It was satisfying to Hitler to murder Jews, is this moral?

Either way you look at it, its not. Even from his perspective, it shows an immoral approach to it. Hiding behind a positive idea. From the moment people are born you find out killing of your own kind is bad. If a child kills and innocent person they're messed up for life. Its natural, you can't change nature like you Communists attempt to do, or should I say the past Communist governments have.

I agree with that, the worker is generally underpaid, and the elite keep getting richer. I understand how Communism could help this, because most of money is fake. Its just an in-between of labor and result. The CEO gets all the resulting wealth and you do the labor. If there was a way for Communism to ensure people lived on welfare checks in a good way. If everyone had tvs and nice cars etc. Then I could understand it, even if it were 50 of the same nice houses, and cars. As long as they were worthwhile.

What about the main question everyone asks? What about doctors, and scientists? Do they deserve the same income as someone cutting down trees for wood for houses?

Or again would they work for the Government Elite, and be much more wealthy than the proletariat. Which IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE SOVIET UNION. THE RICH GOT RICHER THE POOR GOT POORER IT WAS THE SAME DAMN THING AS CAPITALISM.

What about underground markets? Like drug dealing? Would they exist? Im sure their were illegal capitalist enterprises one could partake in during the Soviet Union. Nature is capitalist when it comes down to it. If you have something someone else needs more than you, you want to sell it for more than you got it. Thats all it comes down too.

 

Is it worth me taking the time to reply to this?

 

No!

 

Then again I have won. BOW TO THE CAPITALIST LORD!

 

The hell?

 

If you do not respond you concede. According the laws of any conflict. So BOW!

 

Go read the Communist Manifesto.

 

Green, i admire your patience. anyway, i'll take a leave for a while. u guys have fun

 

Nah you get more out of it using it as toilet paper.

So you gonna answer my points cuz if not then Ive won this debate and Communism is deader than VI LENIN DAWG. CEPT IT AINT SITTIN IN NO GAD DAMN GLASS CASE NEITHA

 

Communism hasn't been born yet.

 

What planet you from dawg?

Communism has failed our world worse than science.

 

Worse than science? I guess its alright then isn't it? Seriously, explain to me how science has failed and how Communism has failed?


Its common sense that Socialist policys and Communist policys are a good thing, unless you want masses of exploitable workers that is.

 

Science has failed our world duhnuhunuhuhun
Science has faiiiled our mother eaaaarrrrthh

-System of a Down

I was joking though. I agree that communism on a utopian world scale would definately be rad. I don't want to be exploited.

Akhenaten the infamous heretic of 18th dynasty Egypt, was the first in my book to propose a world communism. Or just a classless society, under the king, not a government class. Then the king worships the Aten, a god of light and energy.

 

Ask yourself that one - whore of the Bush family.
Name me one communist state (antistate?) that ever existed?
If you say the Soviet Union or China I shall laugh till
your balls fall off.

You are mistaken -
Communism is not a disease -
Socialism, liberalism, conservatism are the true diseases that
have blighted mankind like atheletes foot
Take away those stinking socks and let us breathe the air
of human right. Your foot will heal
after that revolution - Dont follow Marx he was an ingenious fool
its Lydon and Debord that you should follow