Bush Administration Censoring American Scientists!

http://www.slantpoint.com/mt-arx/20...air_hillary.php

is this true ?

 

That's the second time you posted this. Is what true? That Hillary tried to take advantage of the situation for political gain? If she did, so what? She's much the same as Bush. I'm more concerned about the health of people and how they were misled into thinking the air in NYC was safe right after 911 which clearly it wasn't.

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No.. i don't give a shit about Hilary... your original point was

''The Bush administration did a nice job of rewording the EPA report after 911 to make it look like the air was safe. The White House has no business tampering with reports of another agency.''

and i posted ''The White House CEQ took the "What does that mean?" out of the EPA's words and replaced them with definitive judgements based on all data.''


is that true...?.

It goes onto say

An EPA draft risk evaluation completed over a year after the attacks concluded that, after the first few days, ambient air levels were unlikely to cause short-term or long-term health effects to the general population. However, because of numerous uncertainties – including the extent of the public’s exposure and a lack of health-based benchmarks – a definitive answer to whether the air was safe to breathe may not be settled for years to come.

http://www.epa.gov/wtc/stories/headline_091801.htm

what information are you aware of that refutes that ? [apart from the article you posted].

the report states:

EPA has conducted repeated monitoring of ambient air at the site of the World Trade Center and in the general Wall Street district of Manhattan, as well as in Brooklyn. The Agency is planning to perform air monitoring in the surrounding New York metropolitan area. EPA has established 10 continuous (stationary) air monitoring stations near the WTC site. Thus far, from 50 air samples taken, the vast majority of results are either non-detectable or below established levels of concern for asbestos, lead and volatile organic compounds. The highest levels of asbestos have been detected within one-half block of ground zero, where rescuers have been provided with appropriate protective equipment.

How should have the 9/18 press release been worded in your opinion..

REWORDING = LIE

Is that what you thik also ?

If heard the word ''asbestos'' i would be panicked... i would not look at it objectively like i believe they did..

 

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160676


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I said that Bush had no business tampering with the EPA report. What part of that don't you understand, Matt?

You don't understand anything about the research community. People don't tamper with other people's work and reword results.

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..I understand your viewpoint ... cheers.

I understand , no need to put me over your knee for a spanking or anything

 

Here's your quote Matt. I took the liberty of altering some of your words. It's not unethical or anything. I just thought I knew better than what you were trying to say and reworded some things so that it wouldn't look as bad to the public.

Maybe I'll start rewording all of your quotes in the spirit of the Bush administration. *sarcasm*

 

''The White House has no business tampering with reports of another agency.''


I understood you Shaggie.. if you want to get into a 3 page arguement about it .. fine.

I moved on because i did NOT wish to argue over it further.

Sorry if it seemed i was being sarcastic or something ....

I was troubled with your 'theory' that ''The Bush administration did a nice job of rewording the EPA report after 911 to make it look like the air was safe.''

I was attempting to say they ma....oh never mind i just wished to draw a line under this 'debate'.

 

Matt, this is politics and a hippie forum. So, what can you expect? Don't get depressed about it. If people come here expecting something else, it's like going into a hardware store and asking for a gallon of milk and then getting upset because they didn't have it.

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Here's the Deutsche bank building. It was hit by debris from the collapse of the south tower. The Deutsche was found to be contaminated with asbestos, heavy metals such as chromium, and PAH, enough to justify it's demolition. It is currently being dismantled. The structural damage was mild but it was contaminated enough that it wasn't worth cleaning it up.

So I wonder where all of those contaminants came from? The towers supposedly didn't have asbestos. Deutsche was built in the early to mid 70s, so it didn't have asbestos. Where did all the asbestos come from?

If Deutsche was contaminated, there must have been in people's apartments near the area. It makes one question not only Bush's tampering with the EPA report but the EPA report itself which was watered down to begin with.

Also, the EPA didn't address the issue of cleaning up people's apartments until a year after 911. The EPA's preliminary tests and press releases didn't address the issue of contaminants in people's homes. Ambient air was only one issue. One can imagine the dust kicked up in people's apartments that never showed up in ambient air tests elsewhere in the city.

The EPA was vague in it's early press releases, using terms such as 'vast majority of the tests' showed no problem. They didn't give numbers or say what the asbestos levels were for results that weren't in the 'vast majority'. They also didn't give details about what type of technology was used to make the measurements.

I doubt that anyone on this board who is so supportive and apologetic of the EPA and Bush's tampering of the report would volunteer to live or work in one of those apartments or buildings right after 911. Then again, some might. Some might even move into a city in Iran downwind of a U.S. nuclear attack just to support the government's claims that the air in Iran was safe.



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In 1971, even as the World Trade Center was under construction, New York City banned the use of the fire retardant asbestos, amid concerns that it causes cancer.

• The structures' supporting steel beams were coated with asbestos insulation to keep them from reaching temperatures above 1,100 degrees Fahrenheit -- at which point steel becomes soft -- up to the 64th floors, but was replaced by another fire retarding material further up the columns.

 

Is that saying Taiwanese or Irish ?.

 

I've heard a number of accounts on what amounts of asbestos were in the towers. I've read articles that said the asbestos was partly or completely removed over the years as tenants moved out and access to the columns and beams was possible.

Deutsche was built after the towers when asbestos was phased out. There must have been a sizeable amount in the towers or other WTC buildings since Deutsche was contaminated with it.

Some of the core columns weren't even fire-proofed individually. The gypsum panels covering the columns served as the fireproofing. Columns that were behind panels that were jolted off due to the aircraft impact would have had no fire protection.

 

Next time I'll tell you the story about the Irishman in the Taiwanese hardware store.

 

Some of the particulates were extremely small, sub-micron. They could easily be missed depending on the techniques used to gather and analyze them.

http://tsrtp.ucdavis.edu/newsletters/winter_spring_2002/TradeCenter.html

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Another article:

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/NCW/print/8142aerosols.html

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The Bush administration planting its own reporters was another dumb move. They didn't even consider that all of the people in the press pool would recognize an outsider. It's yet another testament to the complete lack of planning and insight of this administration. I imagine the next gag will be to plant more 'scientists' in the science community.

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